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#31
Originally posted by J.Seven
The supercharger in working together with the engine, whereテつエs the turbo might be off most of the time during a long trip, this alone will save some stress from the engine.
Those engines were not not made to receive force induction without several internal modifications, in order to lower the compression ratio among others.
I found the EVO system very appealing regarding price vs power, but you have to know the risks youテつエre into. Iテつエve been tempted to drop this system due the power increase, but I prefer to waite a bit more, and get a 996TT a year from now.
The supercharger in working together with the engine, whereテつエs the turbo might be off most of the time during a long trip, this alone will save some stress from the engine.
Those engines were not not made to receive force induction without several internal modifications, in order to lower the compression ratio among others.
I found the EVO system very appealing regarding price vs power, but you have to know the risks youテつエre into. Iテつエve been tempted to drop this system due the power increase, but I prefer to waite a bit more, and get a 996TT a year from now.
The supercharger does indeed run off the main drive pulley of the engine, but the power necessary to spin the charger is minimal. You air conditioner compressor takes more to spin than does the SC. During normal operation and even cruising the highway at 130 mph or 70 mph or 150 mph, the boost is NOT getting into the engine and therefore no additional stress is on the engine. The only time that boost is introduced to the engine is at or near WOT. As long as there is vacuum in the engine, there is no boost and therefore no additional stress is placed on the engine than a NA engine. Therefore, there is no more stress on the engine than a turbo would demand. There is also less heat introduced to the emgine than a turbo.
#32
Originally posted by 1999Porsche911
What does the oil system in the 996 have to do with horsepower?? The oil circulates the same through the engine whether you have 100 HP or 500 HP. If you don't understand how something works, then you shouldn't comment on it. There is plenty of false info on this board as is. And your comment regarding being harder on the "hard parts" than a turbo makes no sense at all.
What does the oil system in the 996 have to do with horsepower?? The oil circulates the same through the engine whether you have 100 HP or 500 HP. If you don't understand how something works, then you shouldn't comment on it. There is plenty of false info on this board as is. And your comment regarding being harder on the "hard parts" than a turbo makes no sense at all.
The peak power on the supercharged application is at or around 7200 rpms. As the 996NA is a wet sump system, no, it doesn't have anything to do with hp but with durability. It can be susceptible to cavitation/frothing where the TT/GT3 engine has an internal dry sump pump and does not have this problem.
Rods, bearings, pistons are experiencing a higher effective compression ratio at an eqivalent boost level as a TT due to starting with high comp. pistons.
Bottom line is that if someone wants a durable engine for the long term, IMO SC the 996NA is not the best idea
#33
It is obvious that you know nothing about the 996 SC setup. The maximum boost is not at 7200 rpm, but a lesser 6800. Secondly, the amount of HP in a car has absolutely no effect on oil pressure...good or bad. I think the only cavitaiion is your confusion and ignorance about the operation of a superchargered system. The rods are made of the same material (titanium) as the Turbos'. Finally, I run a HIGHER effective compression ratio than the stock turbo.
Rather than trying to get your answers from misc. web sites, try tearing a few engines apart and rebuilding them. Try running Sc'd cars for more than 30 years. Maybe then you can speak intelligently on the subject. You do a disfavor to those looking for accurate info on this board by making such un-informed statements. If you want to post your opinions, fine, but don't try to disguise them as facts.
Rather than trying to get your answers from misc. web sites, try tearing a few engines apart and rebuilding them. Try running Sc'd cars for more than 30 years. Maybe then you can speak intelligently on the subject. You do a disfavor to those looking for accurate info on this board by making such un-informed statements. If you want to post your opinions, fine, but don't try to disguise them as facts.
Last edited by 1999Porsche911; 02-23-2005 at 12:32 PM.
#34
Reread that as i SAID the sc'd car does experience HIGHER effective compression ratio THAN a TT at equivalent boost level. Also, i believe i clarified that NO, the wet sump system does not have anything to do with HP (didn't say anything about oil pressure either) but in durability- there is no substitute for a dry sump type system. Fresh cool plentifull oil to the bearings at all times can't be a bad thing now can it?
It really depends on whos supercharger set up you're talking about and i SAID peak HP not boost-
In extreme situations such as track use through sweepers/turns or on banking such as daytona, homestead a wet sump system at high rpm does have the potential for cavitation or frothing that you would NOT see in a dry sump system- it was a comparrison statement.
Again, if the 996NA engine is so fantastic why do porsche race cars come with some derivative of the 993-GT3-TT case design?
It really depends on whos supercharger set up you're talking about and i SAID peak HP not boost-
In extreme situations such as track use through sweepers/turns or on banking such as daytona, homestead a wet sump system at high rpm does have the potential for cavitation or frothing that you would NOT see in a dry sump system- it was a comparrison statement.
Again, if the 996NA engine is so fantastic why do porsche race cars come with some derivative of the 993-GT3-TT case design?
#35
Originally posted by Porsche Tech
Reread that as i SAID the sc'd car does experience HIGHER effective compression ratio THAN a TT at equivalent boost level. Also, i believe i clarified that NO, the wet sump system does not have anything to do with HP (didn't say anything about oil pressure either) but in durability- there is no substitute for a dry sump type system. Fresh cool plentifull oil to the bearings at all times can't be a bad thing now can it?
It really depends on whos supercharger set up you're talking about and i SAID peak HP not boost-
In extreme situations such as track use through sweepers/turns or on banking such as daytona, homestead a wet sump system at high rpm does have the potential for cavitation or frothing that you would NOT see in a dry sump system- it was a comparrison statement.
Again, if the 996NA engine is so fantastic why do porsche race cars come with some derivative of the 993-GT3-TT case design?
Reread that as i SAID the sc'd car does experience HIGHER effective compression ratio THAN a TT at equivalent boost level. Also, i believe i clarified that NO, the wet sump system does not have anything to do with HP (didn't say anything about oil pressure either) but in durability- there is no substitute for a dry sump type system. Fresh cool plentifull oil to the bearings at all times can't be a bad thing now can it?
It really depends on whos supercharger set up you're talking about and i SAID peak HP not boost-
In extreme situations such as track use through sweepers/turns or on banking such as daytona, homestead a wet sump system at high rpm does have the potential for cavitation or frothing that you would NOT see in a dry sump system- it was a comparrison statement.
Again, if the 996NA engine is so fantastic why do porsche race cars come with some derivative of the 993-GT3-TT case design?
#36
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off selling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip? Seems like you would get more power, prestige and reliability at a little more cost. AND that added cost would easily come back in resale value.
Last edited by Turbo Fanatic; 02-23-2005 at 04:38 PM.
#37
Originally posted by ari
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off aelling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip? Seems like you would get more power, prestige and reliability at a little more cost. AND that added cost would easily come back in resale value.
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off aelling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip? Seems like you would get more power, prestige and reliability at a little more cost. AND that added cost would easily come back in resale value.
#38
Originally posted by ari
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off aelling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip? Seems like you would get more power, prestige and reliability at a little more cost. AND that added cost would easily come back in resale value.
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off aelling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip? Seems like you would get more power, prestige and reliability at a little more cost. AND that added cost would easily come back in resale value.
#39
I seriously doubt it will outperform a chipped TT. Even if it does it would be marginally faster and exponentially more prone to durability issues.
I haved modded ALL of my cars and have learned that most factory boosted engines can easily handle a little more boost. Most factory N/A cars suffer in one way or another after being boosted.
The Miata is one real exception. Those things seem to do very well boosted, but some reaserch indicates that the miata has a 323GTX block - basically the block was built for a boosted application and then reduced to NA.
The issue is that only time will tell and by the time we can be certain that supercharging the 996 proves reliable, most of us will no longer want a 996.
I KNOW that the 996TT is reliable. I will spend the extra 10K and get a TT and chip it. That way I am not driving some bastardized car that has no resale value and questionable durability. Albeit, with less originality.
I haved modded ALL of my cars and have learned that most factory boosted engines can easily handle a little more boost. Most factory N/A cars suffer in one way or another after being boosted.
The Miata is one real exception. Those things seem to do very well boosted, but some reaserch indicates that the miata has a 323GTX block - basically the block was built for a boosted application and then reduced to NA.
The issue is that only time will tell and by the time we can be certain that supercharging the 996 proves reliable, most of us will no longer want a 996.
I KNOW that the 996TT is reliable. I will spend the extra 10K and get a TT and chip it. That way I am not driving some bastardized car that has no resale value and questionable durability. Albeit, with less originality.
Last edited by Turbo Fanatic; 02-23-2005 at 04:53 PM.
#43
Originally posted by ari
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off selling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip?
All other issues aside woudln't most of you guys be better off selling your 996 N/A and upgrading to a 996 TT and adding a chip?
#44
Originally posted by ari
I seriously doubt it will outperform a chipped TT. Even if it does it would be marginally faster and exponentially more prone to durability issues.
I haved modded ALL of my cars and have learned that most factory boosted engines can easily handle a little more boost. Most factory N/A cars suffer in one way or another after being boosted.
The Miata is one real exception. Those things seem to do very well boosted, but some reaserch indicates that the miata has a 323GTX block - basically the block was built for a boosted application and then reduced to NA.
The issue is that only time will tell and by the time we can be certain that supercharging the 996 proves reliable, most of us will no longer want a 996.
I KNOW that the 996TT is reliable. I will spend the extra 10K and get a TT and chip it. That way I am not driving some bastardized car that has no resale value and questionable durability. Albeit, with less originality.
I seriously doubt it will outperform a chipped TT. Even if it does it would be marginally faster and exponentially more prone to durability issues.
I haved modded ALL of my cars and have learned that most factory boosted engines can easily handle a little more boost. Most factory N/A cars suffer in one way or another after being boosted.
The Miata is one real exception. Those things seem to do very well boosted, but some reaserch indicates that the miata has a 323GTX block - basically the block was built for a boosted application and then reduced to NA.
The issue is that only time will tell and by the time we can be certain that supercharging the 996 proves reliable, most of us will no longer want a 996.
I KNOW that the 996TT is reliable. I will spend the extra 10K and get a TT and chip it. That way I am not driving some bastardized car that has no resale value and questionable durability. Albeit, with less originality.