hmm, if a Rolex is a superwatch, then wouldn't Blancpain be considered a hyperwatch? I guess the G-shock is just a musclewatch

 

You forgot the Timex......It does 0 to 60 in the same time frame as those....lol.........Its all good

 

yes, but it does it with less class

boy, we have totally derailed this one, but really, with so many different opinions it is nearly impossible to agree on this. One side will never convince the other that it is right.

 

To beat a dead horse, if a Porsche Turbo is considered a supercar, then so should a Nissan GT-R and a Corvette Z06 or ZR1. A Z06 with the carbon package outran a Turbo S and GT3 RS at VIR in Car and Driver's latest lightning lap. I know not everything is about laptimes, but if we've watered down the term supercar enough to include a regular Porsche Turbo, then the Corvette definitely qualifies.

 

I don't care how you define it, or specify it. I don't think that a Corvette qualifies as a SuperCar. I think that a Porsche Turbo does. And, since it's my opinion and only my opinion that matters to me, that kind of settles the question.

larry

 

Speaking of the Car and Driver Lightning Lap, here's the results in priority order from the first event in 2006 to the most recent 2011 event. I have difficult time not considering the top 25 to be supercars. But again, opinions vary.

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (*with Z07 Performance Package and Carbon Package) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
14 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
15 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
16 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
17 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
18 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08
19 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
20 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
21 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
22 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
23 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
24 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
25 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
26 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
27 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
36 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
37 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
38 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
39 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
40 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
41 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
42 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
43 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
44 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
45 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
46 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
47 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
48 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
49 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
57 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
58 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
60 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
63 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
71 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
72 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
73 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
78 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
79 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
81 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
82 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
84 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkVI LL2 2/10
85 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
89 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
91 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkV LL1 11/06
92 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC Si COUPE LL1 11/06
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
94 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06

 

Everyone has a right to their own opinion.......BUT.......Many publications in the motorsport world considered it a supercar,996 turbo, when it came out and they still do......Just because there are newer,better and more expensive cars out there,,,it is still an all around supercar for the masses.....Just my opinion.....

 

If you hold performance numbers and not provenance, brand, price , or other intangibles. Than I think that the Z06 and ZR1, GTR, 996 and 997 Turbo, GT3 all would be considered supercars.

 

Well, the ZO6 is in my opinion a supercar as I said from the beginning. It is the cheapest, most mass produced, and most attainable supercar on this list. You can find one just about anywhere to buy and you can have the same guy that works on Cobalts work on it. This is also the reason why some here don't think it is a supercar. It does not have the regular quality levels expected or the lower production numbers of a what they consider a supercar. As far as Corvettes go it is lower production model. But still high enough that finding one is really easy. Heck, one years production is equal to all the years of 996tt's sold in the US....

 

AM ------ DBS = supercar, One-77= hypercar
Ferrari -- 599GTO = supercar, Enzo= hypercar
Porsche-- GT2RS = supercar, Carrera GT= hypercar

 

Ultimately, does it matter? Personally, I think all these labels were created by automotive journalists to sell magazines. I recall when I was a kid, there were only two categories in my neck of the woods, sports cars and exotics.

In the early '90s, Japan started introducing a lot of sports cars that were nipping at the heels of their far more expensive European rivals. I think that was the first time I read or heard the phrase "Supercar." These cars performance figures far eclipsed Japanese offerings from the '80s, but you couldn't really call them exotics, so this whole Supercar vs. Exotic thing played out in magazines. I have a number of magazines pitting the RX-7/300ZX/Supra/NSX against Ferraris, 911 Turbos, etc. of that time.

It's interesting to see the debate over whether the 996 Turbo is a Supercar. I recall the press calling the 911 Turbo (forgot which iteration) an "entry-level exotic." Now that the GT2 is available in the U.S., the 911 Turbo can no longer be, because it is no longer a "top of the line Porsche" (I think someone in this thread also said it can't be supercar unless it is top of the line from that manufacturer). Funny thing is, most of us know the GT2 has been around for a while, it just wasn't officially imported until the 996 era.

With the Z06 and the GT-R on one end and the Veyron at the other, it seems like more or more labels are being created so these "class wars" can play out in magazine comparison tests. I never heard the term "Hypercar" when I was a kid, did you?

At the end of the day, I couldn't care less what the 911 Turbo is labeled as. Whether it is a sports car, a supercar, an entry level exotic, or an a$$ engined archaic POS, it didn't lessen my desire as a kid to want one, and now as an adult to own one. It can come behind a GT-R or whatever competitor in comparison tests, I am happy with my Turbo. I suspect most of us here are the same. I'll leave the labeling and magazine performance figure-reciting to the bench racers/keyboard warriors while I enjoy my car.

Oh wait, we are talking about watches now? So should I get rid of my Breitling and Pam? When I bought them, I thought they were the Super Watches. But now, everyone has one. Should I step up to a special edition AP ROOs? Or are those no longer Super as well?

 

My Planet Ocean Chrono is a hyper watch...

 

........The watch thread was already up a little over a month ago and it was almost as long and informative as this one....lol...........Its all good

 

The truth of the matter is that their is an underlying war over whos car makes their ***** look larger. I live in a place where Ferraris are as common as Hondas and it is amazing how many people could care less about the performance as much as the status symbol. The same type of person that would buy a brand new ferrari and not know what the car's capabilities are. It might as well be a diamond studded watch to them. Some people's self esteem and relevance in the status of their peers are effected by the thought of their car, boat, house or RV isn't as expensive or labeled as (supercar, yacht or whatever). A true enthusiast doesn't need validation. I enjoy my car regardless of it's position on the food chain and everyone else should. We are fortunate enough to own a very nice car when some people can't even afford transportation to and from work. The definition of supercar is in the dictionary and it pretty well defined. So I think that if anyone needs to know where their car falls on the food chain just remember that even if your car is or isn't a supercar their is always somebody with a faster, more expensive or more powerful car out there than yours. And you may find your car being beaten in in a race by a $3000 1.6l Honda 4 door Cheers.

 

Like I said earlier, my turbo is a super car...to me. At the end of the day I could care less what anyone elses opinion is. All I know is that when I open my garage and see it sitting there or driving it on the weekend it gives me that giddy feeling like when I was a kid and finally got my NES game system on Christmas. Different cars will evoke different feeling for different people.