AWD versus RWD on the track.
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04-07-2005 | 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Mafia
That's why you don't see AWD in road racing - rally is a different story since often they don't race on tarmac and grip is much harder to find.
That's why you don't see AWD in road racing - rally is a different story since often they don't race on tarmac and grip is much harder to find.
... except, of course, in the Speed GT and SCCA races, where Audi does very well.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an AWD fan boy, Quattro can get pretty boring, and I'm looking forward to having some fun in a RWD car.
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04-08-2005 | 12:01 AM
all i know is I can beat Darren Law and Johannes Van Overbeek in my car... oh and in a straight line... 1/4mile-like
That automatically (sorry for the pun) makes me a better driver than any of you. Or at least better than Kirby anyways.
That automatically (sorry for the pun) makes me a better driver than any of you. Or at least better than Kirby anyways.
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04-08-2005 | 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by Marc996Miami
As well just curious why you would load your car up with stereo equipment and then add so much HP. The idea of a true sports car is to be as light as possible, this is why most people change out seats and strip as much **** out of the car as possible. This is a serious question not a stab..
As well just curious why you would load your car up with stereo equipment and then add so much HP. The idea of a true sports car is to be as light as possible, this is why most people change out seats and strip as much **** out of the car as possible. This is a serious question not a stab..
If I wanted a superlight sportscar I could have bought something else. I like the looks, tuning potential and AWD of the turbo which is why I bought it.
You can have a lot of fun in the rain with an AWD car, you also have the ability to put all that power to the ground.
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04-08-2005 | 06:15 AM
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No one is going to convince the other person that their view is right. Thankfully we live in a Country where we can express what we think and we can buy accordingly. I am glad you all think RWD is the ultimate sportscar. For me it is not.
Nough said!
Nough said!
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04-08-2005 | 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by 1999Porsche911
IMO - the only cars that should be evaluated as to track performance is a 2 wheel drive with no traction control and no PSM. Otherwise, why not have someone else drive your car for you if you are going to have all that computer control? Or sit in front of a Video game and play. It's hardly testing your driving ability as much as it did we older trackers had to determine the limits of our car by feel and experience. What's next? Maybe putting down rails on the track so the cars can't stay on the right line?
Just my 2 cents but it should prove money well spent just by the stir my comments should make.
IMO - the only cars that should be evaluated as to track performance is a 2 wheel drive with no traction control and no PSM. Otherwise, why not have someone else drive your car for you if you are going to have all that computer control? Or sit in front of a Video game and play. It's hardly testing your driving ability as much as it did we older trackers had to determine the limits of our car by feel and experience. What's next? Maybe putting down rails on the track so the cars can't stay on the right line?
Just my 2 cents but it should prove money well spent just by the stir my comments should make.
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04-08-2005 | 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by GoWide
What was the Porsche 959, a grocery-getter?
It's really just personal taste - both drivetrains can be very fast around the track.
What was the Porsche 959, a grocery-getter?
It's really just personal taste - both drivetrains can be very fast around the track.
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04-08-2005 | 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by buddyg
Making a car just the way you want it is what modding is all about. I like a rocking stereo in my cars, so that's why it is there.
If I wanted a superlight sportscar I could have bought something else. I like the looks, tuning potential and AWD of the turbo which is why I bought it.
You can have a lot of fun in the rain with an AWD car, you also have the ability to put all that power to the ground.
Making a car just the way you want it is what modding is all about. I like a rocking stereo in my cars, so that's why it is there.
If I wanted a superlight sportscar I could have bought something else. I like the looks, tuning potential and AWD of the turbo which is why I bought it.
You can have a lot of fun in the rain with an AWD car, you also have the ability to put all that power to the ground.
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04-08-2005 | 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by buddyg
No one is going to convince the other person that their view is right. Thankfully we live in a Country where we can express what we think and we can buy accordingly. I am glad you all think RWD is the ultimate sportscar. For me it is not.
Nough said!
No one is going to convince the other person that their view is right. Thankfully we live in a Country where we can express what we think and we can buy accordingly. I am glad you all think RWD is the ultimate sportscar. For me it is not.
Nough said!
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04-08-2005 | 09:18 AM
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TT on Track!
TT Race Result
The car in the clip has no PSM or ABS but retains the stock AWD.
I'd rather take my street GT3 on the track than my X50 TT. However my slightly modified, heavily gutted TT Race Car would absolutely eat the stock GT3 alive on the track.
Unless you prep the GT3 to RSR or WC Cup standards the TT AWD car would be my choice.
Rick
TT Race Result
The car in the clip has no PSM or ABS but retains the stock AWD.
I'd rather take my street GT3 on the track than my X50 TT. However my slightly modified, heavily gutted TT Race Car would absolutely eat the stock GT3 alive on the track.
Unless you prep the GT3 to RSR or WC Cup standards the TT AWD car would be my choice.
Rick
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04-08-2005 | 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Mafia
That's why you don't see AWD in road racing - rally is a different story since often they don't race on tarmac and grip is much harder to find.
That's why you don't see AWD in road racing - rally is a different story since often they don't race on tarmac and grip is much harder to find.
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04-08-2005 | 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by GoWide
... except, of course, in the Speed GT and SCCA races, where Audi does very well.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an AWD fan boy, Quattro can get pretty boring, and I'm looking forward to having some fun in a RWD car.
... except, of course, in the Speed GT and SCCA races, where Audi does very well.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an AWD fan boy, Quattro can get pretty boring, and I'm looking forward to having some fun in a RWD car.
Actually, lately Audi's haven't been running towards the front have they?
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04-08-2005 | 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by shiggins
Maybe YOU don't see it. But, I see it in any racing series that it hasn't been banned for having an unfair advantage. As someone mentioned the Speed GT world challenge runs AWD cars, specifically the RS6's. They win, a lot, in the dry no less.
Maybe YOU don't see it. But, I see it in any racing series that it hasn't been banned for having an unfair advantage. As someone mentioned the Speed GT world challenge runs AWD cars, specifically the RS6's. They win, a lot, in the dry no less.
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04-08-2005 | 10:34 AM
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The fact of the matter is that nobody has provided sufficient fact to prove that one is better than the other for racing.
I can see I am going to have to apply my education to this problem, I didn't want to do that. Your traction theory, Mafia, leaves a lot to be desired from a technical explaination standpoint.
I can see I am going to have to apply my education to this problem, I didn't want to do that. Your traction theory, Mafia, leaves a lot to be desired from a technical explaination standpoint.
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04-08-2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by GoWide
... except, of course, in the Speed GT and SCCA races, where Audi does very well.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an AWD fan boy, Quattro can get pretty boring, and I'm looking forward to having some fun in a RWD car.
... except, of course, in the Speed GT and SCCA races, where Audi does very well.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an AWD fan boy, Quattro can get pretty boring, and I'm looking forward to having some fun in a RWD car.