So you'll trust your ECU to a $27 knock off cable. It's not like an HDMI $10 cable failing. Your $2,000 flat screen doesn't fry.

 

I have used one my friend has for logging and clearing codes. It worked great for engine diagnostics and logging. It isn't a fully unlocked durametric capability. You can use maybe 60% of the software's capability so if you want all of the functions spend the $ on the real thing.

The unfortunate thing about China and knock offs is that it will always be there. As long as americans are spending money on chinese made products we will enable them to make these products. And if you start looking at data tags on everything you you buy you will be overwhealmed by the # of chinese made products. And just because it says made in Japan or America doesn't mean that the capacitors, processors and memory inside whatever electronic device you have are not made in China. America couldn't produce enough jobs or manuufacturing facilities to keep up with the chinese manufacturing and keep the prices the same. And let's not even get started on all the knock off Iphones made by the other legit manufacturers out there. So unless everyone is willing to completely boycott Chinese made products there is no point in even starting that mess. I am not disagreeing with the ethical issues with the copying of the durametric cable. But in the end people are still buying durametric cables for full durametric use. So it isn't hurting durametric in the end. Most people not willing to spend the $ money on a full durametric setup isn't gonna change their mind soley based on the ethics of this knockoff product.

 

Same way durametric is NOT supporting older users by limiting functionality on the older versions? And no upgrade/trade in path either.

Sorry, that ticked me off.

Loyalty is a two way street.

 

I understand... but here we are talking about a $300 unit.. .imagine spending, as I did, $8500 on a specialized printing machine... the company came out with a new version and stopped servicing the older one... and theres nothing I could do... at least for under $300 you get all the bells and whistles of a new one... thats not that bad when a Cappuccino at Starbucks is near $5...
just my opinion...
markski

 

There are valid criticisms of China for many things. But let me tell you it is not legal to use child labor in factories within China and that sort of thing is prosecuted in China and condemned on television reports. The typical wage in China for unskilled manual labor is about 7 RMB per hour. Skilled labor goes for 3000-5000 RMB per month. It's not unusual for some professionals to make 2-3 times that.

People need to be more discerning in their bias.

Jim

PS: Shipping from China is not expensive. A container costs about 1500 to ship here. Hundreds of thousands of these units would fit in a single container.

 

I agree.

My message was to point out that vendors 'buy' the loyalty of the buying public by their policies and their willingness to treat owners fairly.

You will never buy a product from that printing company, correct?

 

They are not "limiting" the functionality, they are just not upgrading it. So if you have an older version it will work, and continue to work as it did when you bought it.

Now if you go buy another car, then yes, you may have to upgrade if the cable does not support the newer model.

 

Why does everyone call the Durametric a cable?

Jim

 

It is the cable and software that makes up the kit.

durametric.com

 

Yes.... So, which one is worth $300? The cable or the software?

Which came first, Windows, Mac OS or Xerox? Is there a direct copy going on or do people see an opportunity and go for a market and decide to pursue mass market pricing or Snap-on truck pricing?

If you take an open standard mandated to allow for universal data collection, give it a standard interface and allow people to read stored information and analyze data streams, why is this a copy? Did the Chinese copy Durametric or just write their own software to provide the same functionality they saw on the market?

What came first, Windows, Mac OS, Xerox?

There is a fundamental difference here in this product versus say fake Rolex watches. Just saying...

 

PS: Keep in mind that while most of you experience the effects of China here, how many of you have lived there and can be part of their culture? A culture far older than western culture. Blah^3.

Anyway, does Durametric have an office in China? Do they actively export to China? These are important questions because beyond our myopic vision here, people in China actually buy Porsches and need a tool like this just for themselves. Are they to suffer because Durametric isn't pushing it there? Or can a VERY enterprising people make themselves tools without asking another country for permission? And then do those companies have a right to export that product, at a profit mind you, to another country?

Maybe this thing works, maybe it doesn't. But xenophobic reactions aren't going to add even one more American job.

Jim

 

$300 for the kit - cable and software.

Durametric's main claim is the software. The cable can obviously be knocked off easily - at least the old one. Just ticks me off when someone hacks the hardware, then provides the other company's software to use with it illegally.

This is why companies have to raise their prices, now they have to put a security chip in their cable and guess who pays for that?

 

Durametric is doomed.

Protection software? How did that work out for games, music or PC software?

NOT SO WELL.

When you stop innovating and start protecting, you are toast. There is a HUGE profit in this for Durametric and they are doomed. The cat is out of the bag and they are as good as toast.

Do any of you think this exact same copy scenario doesn't play out in China every day with any product? They just shrug and innovate. There's a reason they are growing so fast and its not because they make cheap crap nor crap cheap.

There's also a reason this country is toast. Like it or not, we are in a spiral that cannot be recovered from. No chance in hell.

With or without China, we are done because as a society we have given up on working hard and making the best product possible for the best possible price.

Cry like babies if you want, its as inevitable as death and taxes. The US of A is over.

On the plus side, just like in 1492, you are allowed to immigrate and learn a new language. Or not. But $300 Durametrics won't survive because its not worth it for the money and other people will just blow by them.

Jim

 

I suggest you do a little research on durametric before you insert your foot any more than you have.

 

Bottom line: the software is copyrighted... intellectual property... who care if Chinese culture is thousands of years older then ours... BTW, I was born abroad... I know culture.. and where I came from stealing intellectual property is illegal too...