Turbo S, where is the non-turbo power?
#1
Turbo S, where is the non-turbo power?
OK, I hate to say it, but I am a little disappointed with my newly acquired Turbo S tip. When I floor it and the Turbo kicks in and I get 0.7-0.9 boost, yes, the car is a super rocket. No complaints there.
BUT.... under normal street driving, the car is NOT as responsive as I'd expect. For a quick burst of acceleration (e.g. to pass a car), I'd have to push down the gas pedal quite a bit (like 3-4 inches) then a second later I start to feel some mild acceleration. Sometimes it downshifts and it's a bit better. In contrast with my other cars ('06 BMW Z4 3.0si and 06 BMW X5 4.8is), just the slightest touch of the gas pedal makes the car "go"; responding immediately with power and acceleration, no questions asked. Passing cars is immediate and effortless. The Turbo S only Wows me when turbo kicks in, otherwise in-gear acceleration in the 1800-2400 RPM range is underwhelming.
My Porsche workshop test drove it and said power and acceleration is normal.
Do I need to adjust my expectations?
BUT.... under normal street driving, the car is NOT as responsive as I'd expect. For a quick burst of acceleration (e.g. to pass a car), I'd have to push down the gas pedal quite a bit (like 3-4 inches) then a second later I start to feel some mild acceleration. Sometimes it downshifts and it's a bit better. In contrast with my other cars ('06 BMW Z4 3.0si and 06 BMW X5 4.8is), just the slightest touch of the gas pedal makes the car "go"; responding immediately with power and acceleration, no questions asked. Passing cars is immediate and effortless. The Turbo S only Wows me when turbo kicks in, otherwise in-gear acceleration in the 1800-2400 RPM range is underwhelming.
My Porsche workshop test drove it and said power and acceleration is normal.
Do I need to adjust my expectations?
#2
I agree I went from a normal 2003 turbo stick to a 2005 turbo S stick and they do accelerate differently. i was told it was due to the difference in the turbos. The power comes on higher in the power band.
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Very interesting that you posted this today as I just finished reading the latest issue of excellence where they reviewed some "well bought" 996TT's. The 996TT X50's and S's are known for having a little more lag than the base early TT's.
Quote: "While later cars with the X50 Powerkit and the 05 Turbo S offered 450hp, many who know the 996 turbo prefer the early 415 hp cars for their minimal lag and wonderful real-world performance."
Jason
Quote: "While later cars with the X50 Powerkit and the 05 Turbo S offered 450hp, many who know the 996 turbo prefer the early 415 hp cars for their minimal lag and wonderful real-world performance."
Jason
#10
A flash and exhaust will really wake up your car. A stronger wastegate spring will also help once you're flashed and exhausted. Additionally, tuners can change the way the engine responds to gas pedal movement. I bet that would really help with a tip.
#11
Okay, so based on the responses, it seems what I describe is in fact normal. Well it's good to know there's nothing wrong with the car. Guess my expectations were raised with all the online articles and you-tube reviews of the Turbo where they all talk about amazing "instantaneous" power across the rev range. Maybe it's much more true for the Turbo vs. Turbo S. Or maybe my 265hp Z4 and 355hp X5 4.8is ain't bad after all
But here's the thing, even if you take the Turbos out of the equation, it's basically a C4S - same engine with, what, 320 hp(?) and still plenty of torque. Should still be fast and responsive even without turbo/turbo lag. I don't know.
An ECU flash is definitely tempting!
But here's the thing, even if you take the Turbos out of the equation, it's basically a C4S - same engine with, what, 320 hp(?) and still plenty of torque. Should still be fast and responsive even without turbo/turbo lag. I don't know.
An ECU flash is definitely tempting!
#12
OK, I hate to say it, but I am a little disappointed with my newly acquired Turbo S tip. When I floor it and the Turbo kicks in and I get 0.7-0.9 boost, yes, the car is a super rocket. No complaints there.
BUT.... under normal street driving, the car is NOT as responsive as I'd expect. For a quick burst of acceleration (e.g. to pass a car), I'd have to push down the gas pedal quite a bit (like 3-4 inches) then a second later I start to feel some mild acceleration. Sometimes it downshifts and it's a bit better. In contrast with my other cars ('06 BMW Z4 3.0si and 06 BMW X5 4.8is), just the slightest touch of the gas pedal makes the car "go"; responding immediately with power and acceleration, no questions asked. Passing cars is immediate and effortless. The Turbo S only Wows me when turbo kicks in, otherwise in-gear acceleration in the 1800-2400 RPM range is underwhelming.
My Porsche workshop test drove it and said power and acceleration is normal.
Do I need to adjust my expectations?
BUT.... under normal street driving, the car is NOT as responsive as I'd expect. For a quick burst of acceleration (e.g. to pass a car), I'd have to push down the gas pedal quite a bit (like 3-4 inches) then a second later I start to feel some mild acceleration. Sometimes it downshifts and it's a bit better. In contrast with my other cars ('06 BMW Z4 3.0si and 06 BMW X5 4.8is), just the slightest touch of the gas pedal makes the car "go"; responding immediately with power and acceleration, no questions asked. Passing cars is immediate and effortless. The Turbo S only Wows me when turbo kicks in, otherwise in-gear acceleration in the 1800-2400 RPM range is underwhelming.
My Porsche workshop test drove it and said power and acceleration is normal.
Do I need to adjust my expectations?
The old school solution is to downsift before you need the power. Keep the revs about 4K and have the turbo spooled up and ready to go.
#13
Not same eng at all C4S and Turbo or Turbo S. Your car has the Metzer (sp)? and or aka GT1 block that can safely handle much more pwr hp/tq than the NA eng. Your modding to fit your desires are very available, just go with the right tuner/shop.
#15
The 996TT's compression ratio is 9.4:1. Off-boost performance will be relatively lazy.
OP, is some form of an auto tranny a must? If so, someday, you might want to test drive a 997.1 C2S w/ PDK to see if you like its responsiveness more.