They weren't 1/4 mile races. It was a rolling start from 110 kph to 270 kph.

 

still ....110khm= 68 mph approx ....i dont see it happening ...no way 6-10 cars ill bet on that one ....bs someone doesnt know how to drive or its an sl500 undercover ......

 

The next gen AMG motor for the E will be normally aspirated 6.3 L , so say good bye to forced induction's easy hp bumping soon.

 

While this may be true, that's not really an issue for this debate. It's debating 55 cars versus the new M5, not Mercedes future cars versus BMW's current cars.

And you won't have to say good bye to forced induction altogether from MB, there will still be TT V12 versions in the 600 and 65 cars.

-m

 

Both the current E55 and the coming E60 M5 will easily outpace a std 996 Turbo /GT3 /Ferrari 360 etc from 60-130 mph or beyond on a typical freeway grand prix - so why aren't we all driving SL55s, E55s ? Because there is a " feeling " in your hands just rolling down the freeway you don't get with sporty AMG sedans , no matter how fast.
That's why many own both types of cars . I have two MBZs, but the M5 appeals to me because it looks modern , has that " M " button on the steering wheel where I can program in choice of two power levels, 2-3 susp levels which also alter yaw control severity, and 7 shift strategies on the 7 speed seq manual . The early reports say that handling feel and very importantly, steering feel is very good on the E60 M5 .Not to mention the wailing of an 8250 rpm redline. I love the idea of such a configurable car , not just one that you start and put in " DRIVE " and mash the throttle .
The Turbo ( and I'm waiting for the 997 Turbo with DSG ,too) is my quiet low redline torque machine like an E55 . The E60 M5 would be my 4 dr " cut price " Ferrari . Gotta be able to take my kids along in all my cars .
Choice is good - get what floats your boat !

 

where do you get those figure?

this is what i see, 1st for SL55, next for Turbo

80 - 160 Km/h
SL55 - 10,4 s / 14 s / - s
Turbo - 7,6 s / 9,2 s / 12,1 s

80 - 180 Km/h
SL55 - 13,1 s / 17,5 s / - s
Turbo - 9,6 s / 11,7 s / 15,4 s


also how can M5 be said in the same breath as a Ferrari? M5 is just a quick sedan trying to be something else and falling short. imo

 

Marcus, it is cheaper and easier to get hp out of the E55, however it is only a matter of time before the E60 is tuned. Dinan recently released a supercharger for the E39 621hp/502tq. A friend of mine is picking a 2001 scM5 up and I think it will more that outpace the current E55 both having forced induction and v8's

 

I have a website on other computer that lists 0-100 kph 0-200kph, Vmax for a buncha fast cars .

from the top of my head,

0-100 for Turbo is 4.3, X50 4.2, GT2 4.0 , 0-200 about 15, 14.3, 12.6

SL55/E55 were around 4.3, 13.8

E60 M5 around 4.6, 13.8 secs

So in the 100-200 kph (62-125 mph freeway Grand Prix range ) , the two AMGs /M5 would pull on the Turbo by 1/2 to 1 sec which is old news here as many here who own both have said for the past 1-2 years that their AMGs pulled harder from freeway roll-ons to 120 mph vs their Turbos.

I'll post the link to the site later if you want

BTW, reread my post - the M5 would be like a 4dr Ferrari soccermobile esp the Touring version . Didn't say anything about it replacing a Ferrari . It would just make an fun grocery getter for someone who already has sports cars.

 

Dinan is overpriced, overrated stuff.

I'd like to see what kinda Dyno numbers the 621hp/502tq scM5 pulls. I'm sure your friend will be really disappointed with what he really ends up getting.

- KJ

 

I think that's a matter of perception. Dinan is not cheap, but it does come with the piece of mind of factory warrantied work. Also, if you look at what Dinan charges for the S3, it's in the ballpark of a couple of other tuners.

 

Mltdown,

1.) The cost of that Dinan S/C kit is roughly half of the cost of the car. Give me that much with the E55 and I'll have 800hp.

2.) To make 621hp requires a chip, pulley, full exhaust, and cooling system upgrade on an E55 (which, costs a fraction of what it costs for an M5 supercharger)

3.) The E60 M5's S65 engine is a totally different beast than the M52 found in the E39 M5. Just because they are both M5s does not mean they are the same. You have different compression ratios, drivetrains, electronics, and so on. The E60 M5 has a 400hp mode because of the very fact that 500hp is not something it should be doing 24/7... which (among other reasons) simply leads me to believe pushing the hp envelope in that car will not only be difficult, but extremely, extremely expensive.

I don't want to turn into the anti-M guy here. I had an '04 M3 not too long ago and it was a fantastic car. I'm just pointing out the advantages of the W211 E55... I realize the BMW is much more of a "driver's car" with a much sportier feel and what not. It's just for my wants/needs etc, the E55 was the car for me.

-m

 

Marcus-I agree, I just wanted to point out that I think given the time, the E60 will be further developed(but not to a great extent). I think MKW put it the best. Straight line speed is great, but I think what makes a car is its' ability to turn fast laps. In that case the E60 M5 is superior to anything in its' class and vehicles that are regarded as exotics. Notice the E60 does the Ring in 7:52, putting shame to alot of top names.http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=0&tID=10073

 

Mltdown,

At this point, I can't argue with you. The fundamental differences between an M5 driver and an E55 driver have just been laid out. I don't live at the 'ring and if I did I wouldn't be driving an M5 around it, I'd be driving a real sports car around it. I have my E55 for reasons other than race track times.

-m

 

First, drive any MB and BMW back to back and tell me what you feel or in MB you don't feel. THE MB chasis can't even handle the power it has let alone more............I mean one mag liked the old M5 over the new E55 becuase of how poor it handled. The m5 is and will be faster end of story.

Lou

 

Lou,

Is there a reason for such animosity? Have I made any statements about the negative reviews and of your cars have gotten (and the Z8 is not immune to this either) as well as make other statements about other rival cars beating yours without any real world tests or data to back it up? Can we maintain a civilized discussion, please?

I have driven many E39 M5s, and before I bought my former W210 I did exactly that - I drove an '02 E55 and '02 M5 back to back... I bought the E55. I don't want a wannabe sports car in a sedan body for my daily driver.

Also, please don't say insideous things like the W211 chassis can't handle the power, because that's just silly. It can handle it and much more.

I like how you are so quick to say that the M5 is faster than the E55 when there is no evidence of it being so. I don't know why people are so set on making statements they can't possibly back up with real world evidence.

Finally, I have already stated that I am fully aware of the differences in approaches between M and AMG. That's precisely why I bought an AMG.

-m