Same here! I live in Taiwan where is so far away from you all, but I never have problmes with Proto's great work.

Congrat on John's new tuning!

 

From: TKnighton [mailto:sales@protomotive.com]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:56 PM
To: johnspeed911@comcast.net
Subject: DYNO SHEETS


Here ya go. Epl vs. one of ours. Near same temps. This one of ours happened to dip a little at 6k, but many others surpassed that. This one of ours had the highest torque, but not the best power.
I think it shows pretty good what’s up there.
I never said the EPL tune made bad power though… I was impressed with the power your car made when it showed up. I wasn’t impressed with all the goofiness with the strange lambda’s at part throttle and injector compensations he was toying with.
These dyno sheets don’t show the improvement you’re getting in fuel mileage.
These dyno sheets don’t show that the drivability’s improved.
These dyno sheets don’t show the improved start up/idling where it used to hunt for idle on initial start, and it now starts right up.
These dyno sheets only show peak power at wot and that’s barely 10% of the whole picture that we were working on.

So, basically, we met/exceeded the power that was there with a better all around car. I think J
That is his description above

 

Hey Guys,,The first comparison he sent with the first explanation was the higher HP then this one,smoother also, but lower TQ then this one......Tweeked the power delivery??...BUT Todds review of what I gained in ALL the OTHER areas now is the MOST important thing to me for making my car more enjoyable..PERIOD...

 

And this was on straight pump gas?

 

Hi,YES.....This is a 2 wheel dyno type,not an AWD dyno which would be lower...As often said here,,to a certain point>>you can not compare peak numbers from one dyno to another... They are a tuning tool to compare your tweeks before and after, on that day you are working on it..Its not just about peak numbers.....As posted and shown here before on this site,,,,before I made PEAK numbers of 538 HP and 595TQ with EPLs same tune on a AWD mustang dyno,93 oct gas....As most have said,,that I do have a very good combination of parts on my car....And I have spent alot of time on the dyno during my evolution,,as I have kept this site informed of....

 

I'm glad you're happy John, but I really don't see a difference in the power curve at all. Aside from the peak tq numbers which can just be attributed to a boost spike or even just a variation in the dyno pull, the power curves are nearly identical. I can't really comment on the rest of the changes, since those are very subjective. Personally, my car (with billet K16's, 72# injectors and EPL tuning) starts right up, idles perfectly (no rpm hunting), and driveability is stock like. *shrug* I'm not really sure what was up with your EPL tune, but it certainly doesn't sound anything like mine. But as long as you're happy with your new tune/tuner that's all that matters.

 

agreed. my car starts right up even after sitting for a week or two weeks. i dont know what rpm hunting is and i get true calculated 21-22mpg on highway (not displayed on mfd #s).

i also do not see a big difference in curves, except one has a spike in tq that yields slightly higher peaks. i thought you mentioned there was a 60whp variance ?

all that matters in the end is that you are happy with the outcome and that is the BEST feeling leaving the dyno knowing you hit your goal and you are happy with road-perfroamnce results.

 

Hi,But if you READ the prior posts above these sheets,,,It does it on less boost and less timing,does not hit the knock sensors any more....It is a safer tune also...Also as stated,,that was EPLs best run compared to an AVERAGE Proto run....So,,Everyone has their right to there opinion but there are those who will always pick something apart for what ever reason...and that just how it goes sometimes.....Its all good,,,,

 

Would not then all the programers/tuners of P cars who look at Damos etc etc to alter the original code code be breaking the same rule? My point is, What precludes a first tear tuner that takes a oem encrypted file from Porsche and alters it or just reads it from breaking the law? It is owned by Porsche Im guessing. BTW, I always was wondering.. this has nothing to do with this case... Not sure what the legal answer is...

 

Am I missing something? Where are the sheets? I just see text-descriptions of Protomotive's observations... I haven't seen any pre- and post-retune dyno plots?

 

Post 64..

 

I did read all the previous posts, however no proof of a "safer" tune was ever posted so I did not comment on it. "Safer" is subjective unless you have logs showing one tune is actually unsafe.

And I'm hardly picking things apart. I simply stated the obvious (the hp curves are nearly identical) and commented about my own experience. If you have a hard time with people saying something other than "Proto rocks" you probably shouldn't post on a public forum.

 

Hi,Yes,as it said at REDLINE with the first sheets I could not open,,,look at the above sheets and you will se a big difference at redline also,,and that was not the best Hp one from Proto....

 

DMCA is tricky stuff. Just bypassing copy-protection is bad (i.e. hacking OEM ECU's) but reverse engineering is allowed to some extent. If a tuner is going in and modifying parameters but not rewriting the whole file, or the original code, they're in a bit of a grey area.

However, the big answer is probably that OEM Automakers could totally destroy these small tuning companies, but it's just not worth the $. If it were, I'd have to assume they'd already sued the pants off everyone.

 

So,you are saying that Todd,when Todd said it had a tendency to knock WHICH I saw the noise/knock on the analization/data sheets of the Epl runs,Thats safe??