Flash or not flash before going Track day...
#1
Flash or not flash before going Track day...
Currently have Fabspeed 100 Cell Exhaust, headers, DVs, AP hoses and have the new coilover on couple weeks ago. Wondering if I flash it at this moment, and I only have 3 weeks to get used to handle the extra power before Track days, is it sounds not a good idea to flash now?
#4
First track day? If so, NO. Use the money for fresh rubber and a coach/instructor for the day (or half day).
Doesn't matter how fast your car is, you will still get passed by someone in a car the fraction of the cost and with 66% less horsepower of your vehicle.
Extra power won't do $hit for you if your coil overs aren't dialed-in and tires are crap.
Make sure your brake pads are up to task as well.
Just go out and enjoy the day for what it is.
If you have a ton of track days under your belt and you have fresh rubber, pads and rotors; then YES go for it.
Doesn't matter how fast your car is, you will still get passed by someone in a car the fraction of the cost and with 66% less horsepower of your vehicle.
Extra power won't do $hit for you if your coil overs aren't dialed-in and tires are crap.
Make sure your brake pads are up to task as well.
Just go out and enjoy the day for what it is.
If you have a ton of track days under your belt and you have fresh rubber, pads and rotors; then YES go for it.
Last edited by VID997; 12-15-2011 at 03:00 AM.
#6
Yes, I had a datalogger now and thinking should I have more power, there will be some highly mod GTI, 1M, some M3s and maybe GTR...
#7
Agree with VID997. It all depends on how much track experience you have and also in what kind of car. If you've got a lot of experience in other cars then by all means go for it. If you have a bit of experience then wait to feel how the car handles the cornering sequence before you throw in more power. You pick your time up in the corners. The car has plenty of power stock for the straights. One caution I can give you about the R888's is that they can start going away from you after about 15 minutes of hard running. They are a great tire and I still run them but do have to back off about 1/10th towards the end of a session on hot days.
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#8
Agree with VID997. It all depends on how much track experience you have and also in what kind of car. If you've got a lot of experience in other cars then by all means go for it. If you have a bit of experience then wait to feel how the car handles the cornering sequence before you throw in more power. You pick your time up in the corners. The car has plenty of power stock for the straights. One caution I can give you about the R888's is that they can start going away from you after about 15 minutes of hard running. They are a great tire and I still run them but do have to back off about 1/10th towards the end of a session on hot days.
The forecase will be around 10 degree so I think the R888 could hold on, I guess. And how many track miles you ran on them before they went un reliable?
#10
Holy &^% if it's going to be that cold then definitely do not flash. You'll have your hands full as it is.
I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
#11
I still think it doesn't matter, I'd still flash it. Think about it, if you car was already flashed would you not track it? If you owned a GTR which is more powerful would you not track it? maybe you should get the boost turned down so it's easier to control?
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
Last edited by gearhead; 12-15-2011 at 12:43 PM.
#12
Holy &^% if it's going to be that cold then definitely do not flash. You'll have your hands full as it is.
I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
Last edited by boyg; 12-15-2011 at 06:53 PM.
#13
I still think it doesn't matter, I'd still flash it. Think about it, if you car was already flashed would you not track it? If you owned a GTR which is more powerful would you not track it? maybe you should get the boost turned down so it's easier to control?
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
Last edited by boyg; 12-15-2011 at 06:57 PM.
#15
I don't think the flash will change the car so much that you have to "get use to it" before driving on the track. As others have posted, you certainly don't need the flash before going to the track -- but if you're going to flash it anyway, I don't see any reason to worry about doing right before your track event. The flash will give you a bit more power, and the throttle mapping will change, but it doesn't completely change the driving characteristics of your car. Besides, you probably shouldn't be out on the edge that much anyhow .