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Old 12-15-2011 | 01:22 AM
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Flash or not flash before going Track day...

Currently have Fabspeed 100 Cell Exhaust, headers, DVs, AP hoses and have the new coilover on couple weeks ago. Wondering if I flash it at this moment, and I only have 3 weeks to get used to handle the extra power before Track days, is it sounds not a good idea to flash now?
 
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Old 12-15-2011 | 02:20 AM
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Get a flash and a datalogger. You can always flash back to stock file if you have any problem.

You can use the datalogger at the track to see what is happening.
 
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First track day? If so, NO. Use the money for fresh rubber and a coach/instructor for the day (or half day).

Doesn't matter how fast your car is, you will still get passed by someone in a car the fraction of the cost and with 66% less horsepower of your vehicle.

Extra power won't do $hit for you if your coil overs aren't dialed-in and tires are crap.

Make sure your brake pads are up to task as well.

Just go out and enjoy the day for what it is.

If you have a ton of track days under your belt and you have fresh rubber, pads and rotors; then YES go for it.
 

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Old 12-15-2011 | 02:58 AM
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Thanks guys, got brand new disc, pads and R888 for all 4 corners, this is not my first track day but it is the 1st time on the TT...
 
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Old 12-15-2011 | 03:03 AM
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Get a flash and a datalogger. You can always flash back to stock file if you have any problem.

You can use the datalogger at the track to see what is happening.
Yes, I had a datalogger now and thinking should I have more power, there will be some highly mod GTI, 1M, some M3s and maybe GTR...
 
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Agree with VID997. It all depends on how much track experience you have and also in what kind of car. If you've got a lot of experience in other cars then by all means go for it. If you have a bit of experience then wait to feel how the car handles the cornering sequence before you throw in more power. You pick your time up in the corners. The car has plenty of power stock for the straights. One caution I can give you about the R888's is that they can start going away from you after about 15 minutes of hard running. They are a great tire and I still run them but do have to back off about 1/10th towards the end of a session on hot days.
 
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Old 12-15-2011 | 05:15 AM
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Agree with VID997. It all depends on how much track experience you have and also in what kind of car. If you've got a lot of experience in other cars then by all means go for it. If you have a bit of experience then wait to feel how the car handles the cornering sequence before you throw in more power. You pick your time up in the corners. The car has plenty of power stock for the straights. One caution I can give you about the R888's is that they can start going away from you after about 15 minutes of hard running. They are a great tire and I still run them but do have to back off about 1/10th towards the end of a session on hot days.
Thanks and agree, so far I am a bit regret on the coilover change in this period, the setting now is totally a mess and I will need to go test set test and set again before too late.

The forecase will be around 10 degree so I think the R888 could hold on, I guess. And how many track miles you ran on them before they went un reliable?
 
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Let's see:

Suspension setup a mess
First time on track in TT
Little experience in R888
Brand new R888
New coilovers
10* weather


DO NOT FLASH!
 
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Holy &^% if it's going to be that cold then definitely do not flash. You'll have your hands full as it is.

I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
 
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I still think it doesn't matter, I'd still flash it. Think about it, if you car was already flashed would you not track it? If you owned a GTR which is more powerful would you not track it? maybe you should get the boost turned down so it's easier to control?
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
 

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Old 12-15-2011 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rhargy
Holy &^% if it's going to be that cold then definitely do not flash. You'll have your hands full as it is.

I found the 888's very predictable. They would still have plenty of tread but start to lose some grip between 22-25 heat cycles. You could feel it coming and as long as you dialed it back a tad you were fine. In warmer weather they were great for the first 15 minutes and then I had to dial back as they just ended up in the north end of their operating temp range. For normal temps expect a 10 pound build and I was targeting 36F 37R for my suspension setup. I have no idea what to expect in temps that cold.
I see, thanks for the advising on the R888. For the coilver setting, it is now too low in the rear and having 3+ degree camber, will have it to rise up, 245 40 18 @ the front tire wall is too much higher than the rear 305 30 19, so annoying at the moment.
 

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Old 12-15-2011 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gearhead
I still think it doesn't matter, I'd still flash it. Think about it, if you car was already flashed would you not track it? If you owned a GTR which is more powerful would you not track it? maybe you should get the boost turned down so it's easier to control?
The point is whether you have a 100 hp or 1000hp if you don't respect it, it will kill you. I heard this all the time with my sport bike "if my bike was a 1000cc I'd kill my self, 600cc is more than fast enough" my answer to that was always the same " you can kill yourself on a scooter, it's all about respecting the bike and your ability to control it" moral of the story drive within your means but nothing beats more power off the line and in the straights. If your worried about to much power your going to flash it eventually, might as well get used to it now. But this is me and my opinion, I always start slow and build my skill set. Just be smart out there and you will be fine regardless what you do.
Remember everybody is just out there for fun, and maybe bragging rights.
Right, I probably will go for the flash after cost confirmed. Another thing I concern is the reliability, the coolant pipe looks fine now but I found some threads and I may have to worry about on the track..
 

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he is expecting 10C by then which is close to 50F, not too cold
 
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I don't think the flash will change the car so much that you have to "get use to it" before driving on the track. As others have posted, you certainly don't need the flash before going to the track -- but if you're going to flash it anyway, I don't see any reason to worry about doing right before your track event. The flash will give you a bit more power, and the throttle mapping will change, but it doesn't completely change the driving characteristics of your car. Besides, you probably shouldn't be out on the edge that much anyhow .
 


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