by the wy, the noise beinga non issue may be up for debate, but the drivability should not. My setup drives better than stock. i dont have to blip the throttle at all. I put it in first, then let the clutch out, car rolls forwad. Same in reverse gear.

easy. no riced out blip, blip, blip. just engage n go.

if this isnt your experience, you got the wong setup.

my advice, leave the clutch masters stuff alone and go sachs/porsche oem.

Just call kevin and buy his kit. Get it installed, then come back here share your tales of win. Rinse and repeat.

imo, lwf is the best "free" mod evarrr, you'll agree too if you go UMW.

 

Ttpopo, is your car modded or stock?

Stock clutch can't handle a flash and mods IMO. I'm wondering if the problems with drivability with the lwfw are related to a beefed up clutch?

 

I actually have the same experience on my 996tt, so it is valid, IMO

 

CM uses Sachs equipment, but mods the PP a little for extra pressure, BTW.

I say OP needs to drive a few different setups to decide. It is a fine line, IMO. My clutch is really the only thing I hate about my car right now... I have gotten used to it, but nobody else can drive my car without stalling it a million times!

So if you go LWFW, setup/parts are very very important it appears.

 

The other option is to get a stock clutch and send your pressure plate to Clutch master for modding. Most people don't look into this, but much of the time clutch masters is just either modding a stock pressure plate and the disk material or modding just the disk material.

 

I say OP needs to drive a few different setups to decide. It is a fine line, IMO. My clutch is really the only thing I hate about my car right now... I have gotten used to it, but nobody else can drive my car without stalling it a million times!



Chad now I wish I would have gone for that ride down in Oxford. Oh well, hopefully I'll have something in place by this summer.

 

You're absolutely right.

When I got a flash and exhaust years ago, my stock clutch started slipping.

Then i went 608HP with K24/26 and all the air flow bits and had a (9ff) sachs race setup (with dmfw) - (no idea what the actual parts were but, in line with most euro tuners, it was as OEM as possible). That was great for about 30k miles, but then i got some more go fast bits and the clutch started slipping again.

So this was my third clutch. I really don't know how to explain the different experience we're all having.

is it all in our varying detection of noise?

the perception of what constitutes a "pleasing" sound?

or a mechanical variable?

Are there different clutch plate springs that are louder/softer than others? I can definitely hear the noise on my car. However, does it sound broken to me? certainly not.

Does it sound broken to the casual listener? I dont think so, of the 3 non-car people that I had listen, 2 stated that they just heard an "engine", my wife correctly identified it as a "mechanical clicking or ratcheting" (go girl!) - but certainly nothing that sounds broken.

So there must be something going on here. I know that there are a BUNCH of pieces to the kit I purchased. I didn't see it, but my mechanic mentioned this and also commended the great instructions and parts list that made it really easy.

I also know that sachs products are used in different branded clutch kits (OEM, 9ff, FVD, CM, UMW). Additionally, we know that there are different LWFWs out there.

I propose that while many LWFW set-ups can be typified by the addition of an unpleasant amount of noise, there does seem to be a certain combination of components that when used together, maximally mitigate the perception of unpleasant noise from the engine/transmission.

I went through all the threads and wanted to avoid the "noise" as well. I think it was Mikekelly that sealed it for me. He mentioned in one of his very informative posts, how he changed his clutch 3 times for different reasons, trying to get the perfect combo of characteristics and durability, before getting the umw kit and wishing he had done that the 1st time.

props to you sir!

 

Not so much worried about noise as I am about drivability. Don't want a hyper sensitive on off feeling as the car sees a lot of around town cruising. I think I'd be sold on the dual mass if isn't wasn't for you guys who say the lwfw is buttery.

 

Ari, and I thought I was the only one to pay to remove and replace a LWFW after a month or so of use...the noise was the only issue for me - I just hated it.

 

oh thats an easy one then

I would also rec the 2nd gear detent kit.

My trans has

SSK gearshift
SSK at trans
detent kit

feels worlds different from the sloppy, indistinct, long throw OEM shifter - porsche what were you thinking on that one btw?

 

IMO, the LWFW with the OEM power assisted clutch system is pretty "on-off". You can get used to it, but stopped on steep hills at a light, etc. you really need to concentrate.

I think with the GT2 conversion, which would provide total feel for the clutch, a lot of the "trickiness" of the more abrupt engagement would become manageable and the car would be faily easy to drive, as you would become used to the clutch action very quickly and it would be repeatable (predictable). IMO, the noise is the biggger issue. You will not notice it much at first, but after a little use it will become louder, you will begin to notice it more and it will grow on you. In the end, you will either be OK with it or dislike it.

 

Definitely LWFW in the 997 GT2RS

There is a possibility that over time, you may find the rattle to be more noticeable. I have had 3 different LWFW setups in my previous cars...each one got louder over time.

I found this from PCNA,

 

My lwf has21k miles on it, it didn't get louder.pjay if your in nj call me and drive my car. Everyone can drive my car, my wife, my 55 year old mom. Im starting to think that most.of you are silly. Maybe my car is special or maybe you guys are pu**ies.

 

Some people can drive around any problem. I am one of those people too. There is noise and it is night and day. When some one drops the car off and get a LWFW they think the trans was damaged or left without oil upon the reinstall. Just saying.

 

What setup do you have?