Coolant pipe repair - now required for DE!
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02-26-2012 | 07:16 PM
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I had two well known tuners tell me that at 50 hours track time the 996TT motor should be gone thru just like a cupcar motor... So keep that in mind when tracking yours. Mind you, I was told this AFTER I sold mine, conveniently... Just sayin'!
As I said above, I'm not saying I will or won't buy another Porsche. Quite honestly I'm glad PCA has gone this route. It will force the cars to be fixed if those owners want to de the cars. Unfortunately, I feel it is a poor design on Porsches part.
I'd be welding anything that came off... Not knocking Sharkwerx and I'm sure their solution is a good altenative. But welding and then pressure testing is the only "final" solution.
Pumalex, you're right about the cup cars being princesses. That's why I want and may buy one... We'll have to see how things shake out. Right now I have the V8 Zcar caged and ready to be tuned with new standalone EFI and changes in the wheels/bodywork for 2012. It will see significant track time this year. I also have my E36m3 DD that is pretty much track ready as well.
Mike
As I said above, I'm not saying I will or won't buy another Porsche. Quite honestly I'm glad PCA has gone this route. It will force the cars to be fixed if those owners want to de the cars. Unfortunately, I feel it is a poor design on Porsches part.
I'd be welding anything that came off... Not knocking Sharkwerx and I'm sure their solution is a good altenative. But welding and then pressure testing is the only "final" solution.
Pumalex, you're right about the cup cars being princesses. That's why I want and may buy one... We'll have to see how things shake out. Right now I have the V8 Zcar caged and ready to be tuned with new standalone EFI and changes in the wheels/bodywork for 2012. It will see significant track time this year. I also have my E36m3 DD that is pretty much track ready as well.
Mike
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02-26-2012 | 08:34 PM
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Its crazy how every supercar has its own Achilles heel. Here the 996TT is brought down by coolant glue giving. My Gen III Viper is a great track car except for the little detail Dodge overlooked that the engine suffers from oil starvation at high lateral G's. My Ferrari 456 runs excessive oil pressures at high RPMs which will make the oil filters literally explode. Crazy how these amazing cars all have catastrophic shortfalls.
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02-26-2012 | 10:21 PM
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Pick up my car tuesday coolant fitting repair was 2400.00+ had most of them welded, makes for a pretty expensive track day, Any car that is tracked or raced is going to need more attention, but the cost of operation is why I turned the the old C5 Z06 into my race car, st1, I would love a Porsche Cup also nothing sweeter than being passed by Melanie or Martin Snow in a 2011 cup or their flying lizard RSR best sound ever, but till I can spend 150k+ for my racing season I'll stay with the Z06. oh here is the other reason
for the money spent the z06 will be very competitive. Aaron Pfadts car doesn't even have a rear wing still qualified 2nd in this race with a stock motor. George Smith was first to turn one and stayed there for the whole race. the 996 behind is a RSR and a few 997 cups.
for the money spent the z06 will be very competitive. Aaron Pfadts car doesn't even have a rear wing still qualified 2nd in this race with a stock motor. George Smith was first to turn one and stayed there for the whole race. the 996 behind is a RSR and a few 997 cups.
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02-27-2012 | 06:01 AM
Yup, I know the successes of the C5Zs in T1 all to well. Joe Gaudette is a buddy who I was really close with when he started in T1 back in 2005. I still had my modified C5 back then and used it as my track *****... Can't remember the number of clutches I went thru, or the diffs I broke, or the motor that let rod #3 go on the bridge straight at VIR. All that list still didn't add up to the cost of R&R on a 3.6 turbo motor.
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Pick up my car tuesday coolant fitting repair was 2400.00+ had most of them welded, makes for a pretty expensive track day, Any car that is tracked or raced is going to need more attention, but the cost of operation is why I turned the the old C5 Z06 into my race car, st1, I would love a Porsche Cup also nothing sweeter than being passed by Melanie or Martin Snow in a 2011 cup or their flying lizard RSR best sound ever, but till I can spend 150k+ for my racing season I'll stay with the Z06. oh here is the other reason
for the money spent the z06 will be very competitive. Aaron Pfadts car doesn't even have a rear wing still qualified 2nd in this race with a stock motor. George Smith was first to turn one and stayed there for the whole race. the 996 behind is a RSR and a few 997 cups.
for the money spent the z06 will be very competitive. Aaron Pfadts car doesn't even have a rear wing still qualified 2nd in this race with a stock motor. George Smith was first to turn one and stayed there for the whole race. the 996 behind is a RSR and a few 997 cups.
#81
02-27-2012 | 06:02 AM
That's what they told me Dez, with emphasis on "in the advanced run groups". But I know guys who are tracking and racing their cup cars up to 100 hours and just don't run them up to the limiter before shifting. Who knows... But one thing is for sure. Finding a replacement 3.6L Turbo motor is only going ot get more expensive with time.
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10-02-2012 | 12:23 PM
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I know this thread is from a while back , but current for me. I am going down to Mid Ohio next weekend with the OVR group & was informed that I have to either show that the coolant lines were updated or that I have my mechanic bleed the coolant system & put water wetter in. I then will have to have him put the coolant back in before it gets cold. The car has 17,700 miles as of now. Any ideas what the cost is if I take the long term approach & have the lines upgraded.
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10-02-2012 | 12:40 PM
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I know this thread is from a while back , but current for me. I am going down to Mid Ohio next weekend with the OVR group & was informed that I have to either show that the coolant lines were updated or that I have my mechanic bleed the coolant system & put water wetter in. I then will have to have him put the coolant back in before it gets cold. The car has 17,700 miles as of now. Any ideas what the cost is if I take the long term approach & have the lines upgraded.
I would just run with someone else if I were you. This is still a VERY small occurence. Much smaller occurrence than Corvette's blowing up on the track and they don't have any requirements.
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10-02-2012 | 03:25 PM
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Coolant line
I spoke to Rennstatt (Tim Potts) up in Ann Arbor this afternoon. He explained in detail that the motor/trans has to be removed & lots of parts removed in the process. They then will weld all of the coolant lines permanently to the engine (fixing a glued on problem that Porsche created !). He said to expect a bill in the 5k neighborhood with all of the fluids/gaskets etc. Short term, I will definitely go with the water wetter approach for this event.
Funny how a day ago I had heard vaguely that this problem existed & now I have a potential $5,000+ problem that I didn't even know I had !!!!
Funny how a day ago I had heard vaguely that this problem existed & now I have a potential $5,000+ problem that I didn't even know I had !!!!
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10-02-2012 | 04:30 PM
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I know this thread is from a while back , but current for me. I am going down to Mid Ohio next weekend with the OVR group & was informed that I have to either show that the coolant lines were updated or that I have my mechanic bleed the coolant system & put water wetter in. I then will have to have him put the coolant back in before it gets cold. The car has 17,700 miles as of now. Any ideas what the cost is if I take the long term approach & have the lines upgraded.
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#87
10-03-2012 | 12:39 AM
This happened to a 996 Turbo at the last High Plains DE here in Colorado a couple of weeks ago. While it's not exactly a guaranteed problem, it's still something that happens fairly often.
I just had the infamous "Failure spoiler control" problem happen on my Turbo so it's time to upgrade to a GT2 wing. For the time being I've just yanked the fuse with the wing in the up position.
My coolant lines are pinned (not welded) but still much better than stock.
I just had the infamous "Failure spoiler control" problem happen on my Turbo so it's time to upgrade to a GT2 wing. For the time being I've just yanked the fuse with the wing in the up position.
My coolant lines are pinned (not welded) but still much better than stock.
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10-03-2012 | 08:11 AM
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I had two well known tuners tell me that at 50 hours track time the 996TT motor should be gone thru just like a cupcar motor... So keep that in mind when tracking yours. Mind you, I was told this AFTER I sold mine, conveniently... Just sayin'!
As I said above, I'm not saying I will or won't buy another Porsche. Quite honestly I'm glad PCA has gone this route. It will force the cars to be fixed if those owners want to de the cars. Unfortunately, I feel it is a poor design on Porsches part.
I'd be welding anything that came off... Not knocking Sharkwerx and I'm sure their solution is a good altenative. But welding and then pressure testing is the only "final" solution.
Pumalex, you're right about the cup cars being princesses. That's why I want and may buy one... We'll have to see how things shake out. Right now I have the V8 Zcar caged and ready to be tuned with new standalone EFI and changes in the wheels/bodywork for 2012. It will see significant track time this year. I also have my E36m3 DD that is pretty much track ready as well.
Mike
As I said above, I'm not saying I will or won't buy another Porsche. Quite honestly I'm glad PCA has gone this route. It will force the cars to be fixed if those owners want to de the cars. Unfortunately, I feel it is a poor design on Porsches part.
I'd be welding anything that came off... Not knocking Sharkwerx and I'm sure their solution is a good altenative. But welding and then pressure testing is the only "final" solution.
Pumalex, you're right about the cup cars being princesses. That's why I want and may buy one... We'll have to see how things shake out. Right now I have the V8 Zcar caged and ready to be tuned with new standalone EFI and changes in the wheels/bodywork for 2012. It will see significant track time this year. I also have my E36m3 DD that is pretty much track ready as well.
Mike
I have 16K track miles on my 2001 TT and it has been owned since new (currently 75K miles). I have done the normal maintenance and have never had issues and I constantly beat the cr@p out of my car.
I also own a cup car and the maintenance required for it does not even come close to the TT - it requires much more. They are different cars and setup completely different. The TT does not require a complete tear down for every 90 hours of use.
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I know this is an old thread but I'm looking at buying a 997 Turbo w/ over 50k miles and I'm concerned.
I see that welding will cost about $2500. How much will pinning cost and will the engine still have to be taken out?
I see that welding will cost about $2500. How much will pinning cost and will the engine still have to be taken out?
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Coolant pipe repair - now required for DE!
Originally Posted by MrNurse
I know this is an old thread but I'm looking at buying a 997 Turbo w/ over 50k miles and I'm concerned.
I see that welding will cost about $2500. How much will pinning cost and will the engine still have to be taken out?
I see that welding will cost about $2500. How much will pinning cost and will the engine still have to be taken out?