Put bigger turbos on...car makes less power
#91
07-19-2012, 05:38 PM
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Location: houston, TX
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mechanic just called...bottom center testing with valves close...cylinder 4 has 40% leakdown and 5 has 25%...all others are at 4%
engine being shipped backed tomorrow
engine being shipped backed tomorrow
#92
07-19-2012, 07:28 PM
If the builder is against you pulling the head then bore scope it through the spark plug. This really sucks. Just a question do you let the car come up to temp before you get on boost? That could cause that type of problem.
#94
07-19-2012, 09:45 PM
Maybe your heads lifted? Are you using stock studs? Why does your builder hate your mechanic? Just curious how animosity like that develops between a builder and mechanic. Hope you get things resolved.
#95
07-20-2012, 12:39 AM
my builder said that scored or broken rings would smoke all the time and not just on start up.... These also DO show in a leak down as blow by to the case, bad valves show leak down to the intake or exhaust as to which ones are bad. To loose HP the cylinders would have either be getting to much blow by to the case under pressure or even with a leak down as an NA car. The blow by would cause excessive crankcase pressure and cause oil to blow by the seals etc.
The crank case vent system should handle that pressure..
#96
07-20-2012, 07:01 AM
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#97
07-20-2012, 09:10 AM
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yeah i live in a residential area with lots of cops...takes me about 5 mins to get out of everytime so car is warmed up by then
it has raceware head studs.
i am hopeful my builder will work with me to fix the problem.
it has raceware head studs.
i am hopeful my builder will work with me to fix the problem.
#98
07-20-2012, 09:32 AM
Ben,
It is not a head stud issue.
bmoores,
Evoms and proto are not the only two who can build motors.
"It's ironic that the builder hates the mechanic because he's never been even remotely cooperative with him. If he had a professional bone in his body he'd be working with "the mechanic" to resolve the issues you are having. But he's probably already been paid for the work hasn't he."
Well the car was sent to the builder and drivin around for 500 miles after build by said builder. So in his deference he sent a working car back to Ben. Ben went with larger turbos after another 500 miles and I bet that is the problem with the builder, mods after the fact.
Tim
It is not a head stud issue.
bmoores,
Evoms and proto are not the only two who can build motors.
"It's ironic that the builder hates the mechanic because he's never been even remotely cooperative with him. If he had a professional bone in his body he'd be working with "the mechanic" to resolve the issues you are having. But he's probably already been paid for the work hasn't he."
Well the car was sent to the builder and drivin around for 500 miles after build by said builder. So in his deference he sent a working car back to Ben. Ben went with larger turbos after another 500 miles and I bet that is the problem with the builder, mods after the fact.
Tim
#99
07-20-2012, 10:11 AM
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Ben,
It is not a head stud issue.
bmoores,
Evoms and proto are not the only two who can build motors.
"It's ironic that the builder hates the mechanic because he's never been even remotely cooperative with him. If he had a professional bone in his body he'd be working with "the mechanic" to resolve the issues you are having. But he's probably already been paid for the work hasn't he."
Well the car was sent to the builder and drivin around for 500 miles after build by said builder. So in his deference he sent a working car back to Ben. Ben went with larger turbos after another 500 miles and I bet that is the problem with the builder, mods after the fact.
Tim
It is not a head stud issue.
bmoores,
Evoms and proto are not the only two who can build motors.
"It's ironic that the builder hates the mechanic because he's never been even remotely cooperative with him. If he had a professional bone in his body he'd be working with "the mechanic" to resolve the issues you are having. But he's probably already been paid for the work hasn't he."
Well the car was sent to the builder and drivin around for 500 miles after build by said builder. So in his deference he sent a working car back to Ben. Ben went with larger turbos after another 500 miles and I bet that is the problem with the builder, mods after the fact.
Tim
I know there are other builders, plenty at that. I was just stating two of the obvious other candidates with GREAT track records, proven ones at that. I'm just stating that Ben has had nothing but a ****storm with this particular individual since he started his dealings with him. At least that's all i've even been privy too. Ben has been dealing with this crap for waaay too long.
#100
07-20-2012, 11:04 AM
Well the car was sent to the builder and drivin around for 500 miles after build by said builder. So in his deference he sent a working car back to Ben. Ben went with larger turbos after another 500 miles and I bet that is the problem with the builder, mods after the fact.
Tim
Use if he won't rebuild it for free. however, the new turbos aren't a major leap in size and I'm guessing he/builder/tuner sent a new tune for them.
#102
07-20-2012, 11:27 AM
Anyone else feel out of the loop here, or just me?
bad107, sorry to hear of your built-motor woes.
bad107, sorry to hear of your built-motor woes.
#103
07-20-2012, 11:45 AM
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as much as it is bad new news it is also huge progress, at least you know what the problem is now. when builder doesnt like your mechanic in my experience you gotta drop one or the other and i feel from our private conversations that your mechanic did an overall good job diagnosing a hidden internal issue that showed his competency to me ( kudos to him) while your builder kept saying internal issue is not the cause and gave some bogus reasons why it cant be so.
jump ship my friend and dont get hit by the same bus twice - is my advice
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#104
07-20-2012, 12:51 PM
Sorry to hear that is what the problem ended up being.
As far as the mechanic goes he is the only person other than my brother in Houston that I will let touch my car. So needless to say for the builder to dislike there becomes another problem.
There are other builders out there that do good work. There are maybe a handful of cars that make big power (I am talking north of 1000+ wheel HP). Everyone thinks it is just so easy to make power yet I see no actual action taken. For people who think my car is just down and not running you far from right. I made a 4.3 60-130 pass in 100* heat on e85 less than a month ago with Matt in the car.
As far as the mechanic goes he is the only person other than my brother in Houston that I will let touch my car. So needless to say for the builder to dislike there becomes another problem.
There are other builders out there that do good work. There are maybe a handful of cars that make big power (I am talking north of 1000+ wheel HP). Everyone thinks it is just so easy to make power yet I see no actual action taken. For people who think my car is just down and not running you far from right. I made a 4.3 60-130 pass in 100* heat on e85 less than a month ago with Matt in the car.
#105
07-20-2012, 01:12 PM
Sorry to hear that is what the problem ended up being.
As far as the mechanic goes he is the only person other than my brother in Houston that I will let touch my car. So needless to say for the builder to dislike there becomes another problem.
There are other builders out there that do good work. There are maybe a handful of cars that make big power (I am talking north of 1000+ wheel HP). Everyone thinks it is just so easy to make power yet I see no actual action taken. For people who think my car is just down and not running you far from right. I made a 4.3 60-130 pass in 100* heat on e85 less than a month ago with Matt in the car.
As far as the mechanic goes he is the only person other than my brother in Houston that I will let touch my car. So needless to say for the builder to dislike there becomes another problem.
There are other builders out there that do good work. There are maybe a handful of cars that make big power (I am talking north of 1000+ wheel HP). Everyone thinks it is just so easy to make power yet I see no actual action taken. For people who think my car is just down and not running you far from right. I made a 4.3 60-130 pass in 100* heat on e85 less than a month ago with Matt in the car.
Are you signing up for TI this fall Chris?