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Old 06-17-2005 | 02:58 PM
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Not to keep dragging this out, but I just want to clarify. It's not the kids I have issues with. Hell, I'd have taken a TT when I was in high school too. Shoot, I'd take one as a gift now Any offers???

My question is what in the world are you parents thinking? safety issues aside, it's just irresponsible. You guys are obviously far too young to understand what I'm talking about and you certainly don't appreciate the kind of hard work it takes to earn the kind of money to purchase such a wonderful vehicle. Someday it will probalby become clear. They're not doing you any favors and are probably setting you up for an attitude in life that you deserve everything you want, just cause.... Nothing wrong with parents wanting to take care of their children and give them a better life, let's just use some common sense there. It's the whole "work hard and you'll reap the benefits" thing. Not the "I breathe, therefore I should own exotic cars" thing Again, not blaming you but I can't imagine what's going on in your parents heads.

All that aside, I don't know how I would live with myself if I gave my teenage son a 400HP car and he had a fatal car accident from driving recklessly. Which by the way is what teenage boys do best I know from experience. You guys read that article on the teeny bopper who got killed in his brand new viper?

TT, if you "appreciate" your car so much, then why does your sig reflect that you wish you had a GT2? Goes back to the whole thing of working your way up through through life and your expectations. Most people your age just wish they had a car, let alone a brand new TT. You're already idolizing a GT2. See my point? Where does it end? Enzo when you graduate from college?

It's great that you guys participate here. More the merrier. You all seem like nice kids and obviously have nice taste in cars. With the exception of that horrible neon job in Jammy's trunk with his name on it Can you say, pimp my ride? Just remember that you're gonna catch some serious **** when you start posting stuff about being 17 and begging your dad to buy you a car like that. Most of us work very hard for a living on here and earned our vehicles. It's great that you have the car and all, but you may want to keep in on DL about how you got it


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I already told my turbo story but I think it is appropriate after the last couple of exchanges to describe my first car. I was 16 and my dad took me down to the local Ford dealer. He asked me what car I wanted - I just about crapped my pants. I pointed to a fire engine red mustang. He said "Fine. Three people will own it before you and then it's yours." Three years of college and two years of military service later he was right, except by then the car had turned green and looked more like a Nova.
 
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Old 06-17-2005 | 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Ken
I already told my turbo story but I think it is appropriate after the last couple of exchanges to describe my first car. I was 16 and my dad took me down to the local Ford dealer. He asked me what car I wanted - I just about crapped my pants. I pointed to a fire engine red mustang. He said "Fine. Three people will own it before you and then it's yours." Three years of college and two years of military service later he was right, except by then the car had turned green and looked more like a Nova.
Funny...

My Dad said get a job and buy your own car...

I did and then he was pissed that I spent the money I saved...

Could never win with Dad...

Miss him dearly...
 
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Originally posted by deputydog95
TTGangsta:

Not to keep dragging this out, but I just want to clarify. It's not the kids I have issues with. Hell, I'd have taken a TT when I was in high school too. Shoot, I'd take one as a gift now Any offers???

My question is what in the world are you parents thinking? safety issues aside, it's just irresponsible. You guys are obviously far too young to understand what I'm talking about and you certainly don't appreciate the kind of hard work it takes to earn the kind of money to purchase such a wonderful vehicle. Someday it will probalby become clear. They're not doing you any favors and are probably setting you up for an attitude in life that you deserve everything you want, just cause.... Nothing wrong with parents wanting to take care of their children and give them a better life, let's just use some common sense there. It's the whole "work hard and you'll reap the benefits" thing. Not the "I breathe, therefore I should own exotic cars" thing Again, not blaming you but I can't imagine what's going on in your parents heads.

All that aside, I don't know how I would live with myself if I gave my teenage son a 400HP car and he had a fatal car accident from driving recklessly. Which by the way is what teenage boys do best I know from experience. You guys read that article on the teeny bopper who got killed in his brand new viper?

TT, if you "appreciate" your car so much, then why does your sig reflect that you wish you had a GT2? Goes back to the whole thing of working your way up through through life and your expectations. Most people your age just wish they had a car, let alone a brand new TT. You're already idolizing a GT2. See my point? Where does it end? Enzo when you graduate from college?

It's great that you guys participate here. More the merrier. You all seem like nice kids and obviously have nice taste in cars. With the exception of that horrible neon job in Jammy's trunk with his name on it Can you say, pimp my ride? Just remember that you're gonna catch some serious **** when you start posting stuff about being 17 and begging your dad to buy you a car like that. Most of us work very hard for a living on here and earned our vehicles. It's great that you have the car and all, but you may want to keep in on DL about how you got it


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I agree with everything you said, I know I'm spoiled im not proud of it but I do like it(I can't help it ). For the record though, the GT2 thing is sort of a joke just cause it's one of my favorite cars thats what made me love Porsche, I have a poster of one above my bed from when it first came out. It has nothing to do with me asking for one I just think it's one of the coolest cars ever made nothing more than that.

I failed to communicate my feelings about your post properly, honestly I understand what you are saying and I agree with many of your points. I was being a little arguementative because at first I thought you were attacking me and thanks for clarifying that you weren't. I don't feel like having nice things means changes your chances of financial success. I know how to work, not like you or most of the people on this board do but for my age I have done a lot. My dad and I have had many talks about reality and what it takes to purchase a car like the Turbo and he reminds me how little I know about making money on a minute by minute basis . I was talking to him tonight about it at dinner and why he bought the car and he said it was because he felt I was responsible enough to have one, and that he likes to live through me and then started laughing. He said "make no mistake you get one ticket or do something even remotly stupid you're done." He continued to say "the reason you have that car is because you have never been in an accident, or gotten a ticket, and you know how to work when you have to." He also told me that he knows what it's like to be a kid and want nice things (he had crazy cars when he was a kid). The thing is, even though my dad had a ton of nice things as a kid he still learned what it took to make money and what its like to work your *** off trying to build a company so maybe having nice things doesn't hurt you as much as you might think.

Look I am not mad about your post and I know I deserve it, if nothing else it contributes in some way to my sense of reality. I don't think its fair to say I don't appreciate the car, because I do immensly, i'm sure i should appreciate it more though and I try to but it's weird. I think we are all in agreement for the most part on this issue everyone just got a little crazy because it is a very sensitive subject. It's hard for me to get my point across on this but I hope you are starting to understand where i'm coming from.
 
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I guess I will chime in here as this argument seems to occur on just about every single car forum.

IMHO it's hard to argue whether a kid deserves a nice car or not. It all depends on the kind of person they are and their driving style, but I will agree that 98% of the kids I know probably shouldn't be driving 6 figure cars simply because of safety reasons. How many kids that young really know how to handle a high performance car? I know I sure didn't. Maybe back then I thought I did, but right now I KNOW I didn't.

As far as appreciating it, I don't think it's fair to argue that TTgangsta doesn't appreciate the car. Everyone has a different way of appreciating something, whether it be thanking someone, or just knowing deep down in your heart how lucky and grateful you are to be in your position. People will always want nicer things, things that they don't have, it's just simple human nature. I'm sure there are people out there who drive TTs that want a CGT. Does that mean they don't appreciate their TT? Not necessarily.

For what it's worth, my parents bought me a BMW 318i when I was 16. At that time I knew nothing about cars, but a few years later I started feeling the car was really slow and wanted something fast. It wasn't until I was 21 or so that I got a M3 as my second car. Now that I look back I am actually VERY GLAD that I didn't have a M3 as my first car. I did some stupid things in that 318 that if I did with my M3 I would probably be dead by now.

Now I am 24 and working and I bought my first car last September (a brand new Audi S4) and sold it last week because I've decided I wanted to save my money and focus more on my career. I figure there's plenty of time left in the future to own nice cars. Gotta concentrate on making the benjamins first

Anyways back to the thread, I loved reading the stories about how some of you picked up your cars. Hopefully I will be at that point in the not too distant future. Afterall, we're here to talk and share with one another one thing we like the most: cars (and more specifically, Porsches )
 
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I sort of need to take both sides on this issue. I am 23 years old. I am a college grad and have worked as a mechanic throughout highschool and college. When I began working at a Porsche dealership during college, the other mechanics began asking me how someone my age knew so much about Porsches, and many of the secrets of working on them. When they found out that my father (who is a doctor) collects them and I had begun turning wrenchs on his cars and his friends cars out at the bridgehampton race track (grew up in BH) at around the age of 12 many of them started giving me an attitude. As time went on most of the guys accepted this, because I was able to prove myself as a Porsche tech. This is still sort of an issue, but the bottom line is growing up I was never allowed to drive my fathers P-cars outside of his supervision and spent much more time disecting the motors in his cars than actually driving them. Now when I meet new people in the business especially other mechanics, I am actually embarrased to let people know the cars that my father owns. I quickly relized that many Porsche mechanics will never make enough money to actually be able to afford one for themselves. This is a very sad thing. Many of these guys are the unsung heros of the business. When they are young if they have reached master tech level, they can usually scrape together the funds to buy an old 911, but by the time they have the money they have wives and children to support and buying the vehicle that they have dedicated their lives to is no longer affordable. The pay scale in the Porsche biz is whacked out, but that is a sepate issue. I do not think that any 17 year old kid should have a TT at his disposal. This shows extreme stupidity on the parents part. They are risking the lives of their children. No 17 year old has the maturity or experience to be behind the wheel of a high performance car without supervision in a controlled environment. To this day I rarely drive my fathers P cars as I worry about getting tickets, which is instant death if you work as a mechanic. When I road test customers cars I am even more nervous as this carries a great amount of responisbility. The last thing I need is to explain to my dad, one of his buddies or a customer that I f*cked up their P-car. Granted when I was 17 if someone gave me a TT as a gift I would have taken it in a heart beat, but I'm glad no one did because I would be in Jail or Dead now... So to all the kiddies on the board (who aren't too much younger than me) think about the responsibilty you are being given and also keep in mind that Porsche techs who know alot more about your cars and are alot more qualified to be driving them, bust their asses and only dream of owning a 996 TT. So next time your car is in for service order some pizzas for the whole shop and bring some gatorade (for whatever reason this is the P-car Tech drink of choice during the day. At night its Petrone... That is also a whole other story....)
One last thing for everyone to ponder.. The best Porsche mechanic in the country has an '87 930 that took him god knows how long to save up for, and he hasn't driven it in 3 years in fear of getting a ticket and potentially losing his license....
 
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You can lose your mechanics license from getting a speeding ticket?
 
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There isn't really such a thing as a "mechanics license" you lose your job because you become uninsurable for a dealer. One dealer couldn't put me on their insurance for two points on my license for failure to signal at a stop sign, and two prior speeding tickets that occured more than 3 years ago that the points are already gone from...
 
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Originally posted by ttgangsta
I agree with everything you said, I know I'm spoiled im not proud of it but I do like it(I can't help it ). For the record though, the GT2 thing is sort of a joke just cause it's one of my favorite cars thats what made me love Porsche, I have a poster of one above my bed from when it first came out. It has nothing to do with me asking for one I just think it's one of the coolest cars ever made nothing more than that.

I failed to communicate my feelings about your post properly, honestly I understand what you are saying and I agree with many of your points. I was being a little arguementative because at first I thought you were attacking me and thanks for clarifying that you weren't. I don't feel like having nice things means changes your chances of financial success. I know how to work, not like you or most of the people on this board do but for my age I have done a lot. My dad and I have had many talks about reality and what it takes to purchase a car like the Turbo and he reminds me how little I know about making money on a minute by minute basis . I was talking to him tonight about it at dinner and why he bought the car and he said it was because he felt I was responsible enough to have one, and that he likes to live through me and then started laughing. He said "make no mistake you get one ticket or do something even remotly stupid you're done." He continued to say "the reason you have that car is because you have never been in an accident, or gotten a ticket, and you know how to work when you have to." He also told me that he knows what it's like to be a kid and want nice things (he had crazy cars when he was a kid). The thing is, even though my dad had a ton of nice things as a kid he still learned what it took to make money and what its like to work your *** off trying to build a company so maybe having nice things doesn't hurt you as much as you might think.

Look I am not mad about your post and I know I deserve it, if nothing else it contributes in some way to my sense of reality. I don't think its fair to say I don't appreciate the car, because I do immensly, i'm sure i should appreciate it more though and I try to but it's weird. I think we are all in agreement for the most part on this issue everyone just got a little crazy because it is a very sensitive subject. It's hard for me to get my point across on this but I hope you are starting to understand where i'm coming from.
Very articulate answer.

As a parent with some discretionary cash, I wouldn't have hesitated to buy my son a TT if I thought he could handle the power. His brain still sits around his waste. The best investment I ever made was to buy him a 5 speed 4 cyc Jeep C4 for his 16 birthday. The only way he could get it above 65 was to get out and watch someone smaller drive it.

You sound a heck of a lot smarter (Alex, sorry) than my son and certainly more responsible. Bless you, just drive carefully. It's the mistakes of other people that will kill you.
 
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Originally posted by ttgangsta
I agree with everything you said, I know I'm spoiled im not proud of it but I do like it(I can't help it ). For the record though, the GT2 thing is sort of a joke just cause it's one of my favorite cars thats what made me love Porsche, I have a poster of one above my bed from when it first came out. It has nothing to do with me asking for one I just think it's one of the coolest cars ever made nothing more than that.

I failed to communicate my feelings about your post properly, honestly I understand what you are saying and I agree with many of your points. I was being a little arguementative because at first I thought you were attacking me and thanks for clarifying that you weren't. I don't feel like having nice things means changes your chances of financial success. I know how to work, not like you or most of the people on this board do but for my age I have done a lot. My dad and I have had many talks about reality and what it takes to purchase a car like the Turbo and he reminds me how little I know about making money on a minute by minute basis . I was talking to him tonight about it at dinner and why he bought the car and he said it was because he felt I was responsible enough to have one, and that he likes to live through me and then started laughing. He said "make no mistake you get one ticket or do something even remotly stupid you're done." He continued to say "the reason you have that car is because you have never been in an accident, or gotten a ticket, and you know how to work when you have to." He also told me that he knows what it's like to be a kid and want nice things (he had crazy cars when he was a kid). The thing is, even though my dad had a ton of nice things as a kid he still learned what it took to make money and what its like to work your *** off trying to build a company so maybe having nice things doesn't hurt you as much as you might think.

Look I am not mad about your post and I know I deserve it, if nothing else it contributes in some way to my sense of reality. I don't think its fair to say I don't appreciate the car, because I do immensly, i'm sure i should appreciate it more though and I try to but it's weird. I think we are all in agreement for the most part on this issue everyone just got a little crazy because it is a very sensitive subject. It's hard for me to get my point across on this but I hope you are starting to understand where i'm coming from.
Good intelligent response.... As Ken stated you seem like a responsible kid... Drive safe...
 
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Since I am only 18, I might as well put in my 2 cents.

The Porsche obsession has been in my blood since birth. My father bought his first Porsche, a 924, in 1982. In 1984, he bought a brand new 911 Carrera (the Guard's Red one, we are now restoring). Growing up, all I heard about was Porsche this, Porsche that.

As I got older, around 14, I wanted to drive so bad. I had no idea what car to get, but I began planning. From Jeeps to mustangs to Ricer-esque cars, I flipped week to week. One day, my dad said, "Want my car?" I was shocked. He said it was rough looking, but it could look great w/ a little work (4 yrs later, still not finished). Anyway, he told me, get straight A's and you get the Porsche.

9th and 10th grade I worked my *** off. I took college courses, Ap courses, and Honors course, my unweighted GPA was a 4.0 A month before my 16th birthday, it was evident that the 911 would not be complete. I didn't care, but my dad surprised me w/ my 924S. Thank god! This car saved my *** from a lot of trouble b/c it only had 150 BHP. I got a lot of flack from other students, rich boy this, rich boy that...the car only cost $3000.

I graduated high school a year early, and my present was my '84 Targa. It is beautiful and I love it. But I earned it. I worked so hard, and my work is continuing to pay off. I am going to graduate college in May '06, and I plan to enter law school. If all goes well, I will surely be on the path to my 99XTT when I graduate with my JD at 22.
 
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Originally posted by Ken
I have always focused on the "carrot". Every time I did something good, I rewarded myself. The bigger the "good" the bigger the carrot. I tried to pick most of "carrots" with the family in mind, but everyone once in a while, it was just about me.

All of my "me" picks were cars and usually Porsches. First a new 924, then a new 944, next a used 911 SC, then a used 993, then a used 996 - finally, we had the house, boats, jewelry to choke a cow, college funds, etc and my wife told me when I suggested a bigger house that maybe it was time for me to pick another one for me. A big one.

I grabbed the Autoweek and went staight to the want ads - there it was "Seal Grey X50" - new - mine, mine, mine. It was a Beverly Hills Porsche. I asked my son if he wanted to go for a ride, grabbed a blank check, and launched out of the driveway. I can still remember every car on the lot and how the TT was parked in the showroom. I paid cash and it is the best i"carrot" I have ever had. I can remember thinking that there must be some sort of breakin period and I hit WOT at every stop light between the dealership and HWY 405. I can remember thinking that the CHP look for cars like this as I discovered that .9 was all I was going to see on the boost without mods (if I only knew). A day doesn't go by that the car doesn't generate that same excitment.

I find joy in everything I do - but driving that car reminds me why I have been driven to the top of my game. It keeps me sane. And no matter how dark, cold, dreary it is - slam the gas to the floor and every little piece of cr*p I've had to deal with disappears. All the money in the bank, the big house, etc - all the material things are that - but the car..... It is about living.

Going for a ride...............
Beautiful Ken, just beautiful man!!!!!
 
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