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Old 09-04-2012 | 01:14 PM
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Looking for some general opinions... Seems that flashed/modded TT's tend to eat up a stock clutch fairly quickly. I know it 'depends' on how one drives but if you mod you're probbly not a right lane kind of guy. I know the forum is not called 'tiptroniconline' and while my current and prefence is a manual tranny, how does the auto hold up to say the 500hp line?
 
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Old 09-04-2012 | 02:35 PM
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According to Evolution Motorsports the Tiptronic should hold up to around 600 hp or even a little more. It (the transmission) is essentially the same one as in MB SL65 except that car is only two wheel drive (again according to EVOMS).

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Old 09-04-2012 | 02:37 PM
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Looking for some general opinions... Seems that flashed/modded TT's tend to eat up a stock clutch fairly quickly. I know it 'depends' on how one drives but if you mod you're probbly not a right lane kind of guy. I know the forum is not called 'tiptroniconline' and while my current and prefence is a manual tranny, how does the auto hold up to say the 500hp line?
Tips are good for 520/530 bhp and not much more. Its the torque that is the problem, much over 550 ftlbs and your into clutch pack slippage.
I have an MKB Tip with carbon clutch packs, uprated valve's and bodies etc its good for 1300 nm. My Car pushes out 650bhp /900nm torque. . Remember its a Tip and still has the auto losses associated with this type of box so it fairly shifts with a 0-100 in 6.5 seconds and 60-130 in 7.2 seconds on 98 RON fuel and 2 persons in the car . Verified by Pbox.
I love my tip, but and its a big BUT, if your a driving enthusiast and like the feel of a manual and the extra car control that offers you might be suited to a 6 speed. I some times wish I had chosen a manual at times but at the end of the day its still a 911 Turbo and will show most 6tt over here a clean pair of heels.
 
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Old 09-04-2012 | 07:26 PM
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I have two now with manuals, and enjoy driving them both. Most of my driving is city-ish so although I appreciate the control over the rev line stopping on a hill in traffic and just the ordinary stop and go gets a little tiring. Also, it "seems" to me that there are more Tip's available for sale or are at least easier to find. With the cost of replacing a clutch either stock or upgraded i can bank a little cash for other necessities and not have to worry about the life of the clutch and replacement cost as often. Generally speaking. I'll have to look more about the driving experience of the tiptronic and the ability to manual shift along side of full auto. Doesn't it seem best of both worlds?
 
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Old 09-04-2012 | 07:28 PM
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The other plus/minus is that the wife would be able to drive a Tip ;-) helping to make the purchase a little easier. C'mon guys, you know what I mean!
 
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I wish i bought a tip. Wife doesn't like the jerkiness of a manual. As a result i don't get to drive the car as much and use my subaru instead. I am probably in the minority. That is why I want my next car to be a GTR.
 
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600 hp is limit...
 
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I had to buy a Tip due to nerve damage in my left leg! I get spasms if I over work it to much so no manual for me. I was looking at a GT-R originally but the prices on the 996 TT are just to good to pass on. Mine has held up just fine! Never had any slippage. The only thing I can't stand about it is the location of the switches on the wheel to use manually. I ordered one of the new Tip steering wheels from Ivan at DCT with true paddles on the wheel. I am excited to get the thing! It looks like something off a F1 car! It is nice when you are in heavy traffic though! Also no second gear pop out or over rev issues. I know someone on this board that ran 0-60 in 2.5 seconds with a 996 Tip!
 
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On paper it might be 600 bhp and if your torque is les than 550 ota then maybe. But living with a tip for the last 9 years I found the clutch packs were suffering with my 520 bhp set up with 550 ft/lbs. It really dos depend on how you drive them. I Can only give my real life experience.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
600 hp is limit...
Mine was toast at around 525-550 whp. Don't buy a tip because your wife "may" drive it. Don't buy I tip if you want big power. For a daily driver, I would suggest something else.
 
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Originally Posted by blackhorseturbo
mine was toast at around 525-550 whp. Don't buy a tip because your wife "may" drive it. Don't buy i tip if you want big power. For a daily driver, i would suggest something else.
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Just get a nice upgraded clutch that will handle 700hp and get a 6MT.
 
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I bought a Tip for the same reason that thinking my wife would drive the car some days, and 5 years later, she had never touched the key. So... this is not a good reason.

My car dyno'd at 510AHP but my tune kept the Torque down (below 500). You really need a tune like this on a Tip if you don't want to upgrade your tranny.

I do have a paddle shift steering wheel and it does feel like F1.
 
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Originally Posted by machinegunt
I had to buy a Tip due to nerve damage in my left leg! I get spasms if I over work it to much so no manual for me. I was looking at a GT-R originally but the prices on the 996 TT are just to good to pass on. Mine has held up just fine! Never had any slippage. The only thing I can't stand about it is the location of the switches on the wheel to use manually. I ordered one of the new Tip steering wheels from Ivan at DCT with true paddles on the wheel. I am excited to get the thing! It looks like something off a F1 car! It is nice when you are in heavy traffic though! Also no second gear pop out or over rev issues. I know someone on this board that ran 0-60 in 2.5 seconds with a 996 Tip!
Hi machinegunt, I'm just wondering how many hp and torque with your K24/26 setup. I'm sure you are not using the full potential of them since you haven't done a tranny built.
 
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If you opt for the MT route, the stock clutch won't last too long after even minor modding, so either 1) find a car that has a good clutch in it used (shouldn't be hard if you poach the classifieds here) or 2) budget 4k for a new clutch that will retain stock feel and hold up to about 650hp without much issue (The UMW clutch is rated to do so and I'm sure lots of others are as well).

Is it the cost or driveability that scares you?
 


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