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Old 09-13-2012 | 02:29 PM
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converting to rwd is as easy as removing the driveshaft. then reinstall for daily use. or remove it altogether with the front diff amd stub axles. labor is only cost no parts are needed
 
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Originally Posted by 2muchtime
I can honestly say modding the 996tt for the track makes it less appealing on the daily street driving, I went with everything F1/White but also running very stiff springs, we have very smooth roads and it is a very hard ride around town.
Depends what a driver would personally consider less appealing or comfort level for street driving for a weekend/track car. It is a trade-off like most things.

I have a Profi seat and not as easy to get in the car (6' 3") as with the stock seats. However, still always looking for some place for the TT to play between track days.

What spring rates are you using?
 
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Depends what a driver would personally consider less appealing or comfort level for street driving for a weekend/track car. It is a trade-off like most things.

I have a Profi seat and not as easy to get in the car (6' 3") as with the stock seats. However, still always looking for some place for the TT to play between track days.

What spring rates are you using?
i have full jrz coilovers and gmg adjustable everything underneath. height of the car was 25" and a brick to drive on the street. raised the car a mere 3/4" and completely changed the way the car feels. still stiff but soooo much more enjoyable to drive on the street
 
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Originally Posted by skyline23
While I definitely understand what you mean by fast doesn't always mean fun to drive, but would you mind expanding on why the 911tt in particular was not "fun" on the track? Was it lack of feedback for the driver? Unpredictable handling or squishy suspension? Something else?...and was it something some mods would not fix?
1. Soft stock suspension: There was just way too much movement with any type of weight shift in any direction whether you were turning, braking, and accelerating. Weight of the car didn't help either especially in quick transitions.

2. Massive understeer due to AWD: I can get the car to rotate with more gas in a RWD car. More gas in 996TT just made the front tires squeal more and push. It probably can be improved with suspension mods, but I don't think you can eliminate it completely unless you do the RWD conversion.

3. Too much isolation: The whole drivetrain is suspended by rubber mounts so there's not much feedback. Car is just too quiet. It doesn't feel you're going that fast even when you're going pretty fast. I think I get half of my excitement on the track from all the noises and vibrations
 
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Originally Posted by 996TWINS
Depends what a driver would personally consider less appealing or comfort level for street driving for a weekend/track car. It is a trade-off like most things.

I have a Profi seat and not as easy to get in the car (6' 3") as with the stock seats. However, still always looking for some place for the TT to play between track days.

What spring rates are you using?
800f/1200r
 
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height of the car was 25" and a brick to drive on the street. raised the car a mere 3/4" and completely changed the way the car feels. still stiff but soooo much more enjoyable to drive on the street
you sorted that out! excellent.
 
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Originally Posted by 2muchtime
800f/1200r
How did you come up with those rates? I thought you should have 300 or less between f/r.

I have been talking to some shops and got 600f/800r, 600f/900r and 700f/900r.
 
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Originally Posted by tkuwaha
2. Massive understeer due to AWD: I can get the car to rotate with more gas in a RWD car. More gas in 996TT just made the front tires squeal more and push. It probably can be improved with suspension mods, but I don't think you can eliminate it completely unless you do the RWD conversion.
The factory has it set up with oversteer (too much for my liking)

A set of adjustable sways eliminated that problem for me.
 
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Another question:How are the motors in terms of reliability after constant track use? any preventative must-do mods to make it more track safe?...From my research it seems like they are relatively bullet proof for street use, but that doesn't awlays translate to a bullet proof track car...

And also, is oil starvation an issue at all with these cars? I know it has a dry sump, so does that make it completely resistant to it? I am just paranoid now because my nsx actually blew the engine because of this, hence the need to rebuilt the motor a bit ago, and during the process I added baffled oil pan and an accusump...
 
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yes, oil starvation is pretty much impossible in those cars. They are very reliable, i would say that if well maintain they won't be less reliable than a street car.

The only thing that tend to break on these things are the coolant hoses and coolant fittings which seems to be more prone on tracked car but that doesn't cost and engine, just an engine drop and some repair.

There has been some failure on these engine but mostly due to very high HP or just bad luck. Doesn't seem to have anything to do related with the car being tracked or not.

The problem is it gets crazy expensive when you need to rebuild an engine or get a new one, which isn't the case with a FD, a NSX, a Corvette, a Supra or other high HP capable cars.
 
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Originally Posted by skyline23
Another question:How are the motors in terms of reliability after constant track use? any preventative must-do mods to make it more track safe?...From my research it seems like they are relatively bullet proof for street use, but that doesn't awlays translate to a bullet proof track car...
Oil change, depending on ambient temperature and how long I run, 2-4 track days. Transmission and differential 4-6 track days.
 

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brake fluid oil and trans fluid rear end gear oil all must do if tracked on a regular basis.
slave cylinder(accumulator) and coolant line issues will deadline the car so look for a car that has addressed these issues.(vr4henrys car!! already addressed all these AND rebuilt the trans)
 
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Do you track with the stock brake system (assumin upgraded pads and fluid,of course)? If so, how many sessions can you get out of the rotors? What about brake lines, Stainless steel upgrade neccesary?

And yes, I check out vr4henry's car and it is beautiful, but over 10K what I am looking to spend

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brake fluid oil and trans fluid rear end gear oil all must do if tracked on a regular basis.
slave cylinder(accumulator) and coolant line issues will deadline the car so look for a car that has addressed these issues.(vr4henrys car!! already addressed all these AND rebuilt the trans)
 
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i have yet to track my turbo just researching what the pros on here do at the track.
honestly unless you find someone getting reamed in a divorce and liquidating everything its going to be hard to find a well sorted , taken care of trak and road car for under 55k. for 50k you can find a well maintatined STOCK car but under that your choices will be very limited
 
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I agree, to be clear I wasn't expecting to find a well sorted track car for my asking price, I am hopeful i could find a good condition stock or relatively stock car however, and if it has some coilovers or minor track mods, even better..but yes, definitely not a complete car ready to set lap records.

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i have yet to track my turbo just researching what the pros on here do at the track.
honestly unless you find someone getting reamed in a divorce and liquidating everything its going to be hard to find a well sorted , taken care of trak and road car for under 55k. for 50k you can find a well maintatined STOCK car but under that your choices will be very limited
 


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