Does anyone prefer the 996 stock shifter?
#16
You think I should have my indy take it out and then reinstall it? I feel it would be worth a shot
#17
The question is, does your indy know how to do it properly? If he installed it originally....I think not. But I do believe the only reason for problems with the SSK is installation....after all the physics of the lever is the same and there really is not much difference in the physical parts of an SSK.
#18
The question is, does your indy know how to do it properly? If he installed it originally....I think not. But I do believe the only reason for problems with the SSK is installation....after all the physics of the lever is the same and there really is not much difference in the physical parts of an SSK.
My indy is already hesitant about all SSks. He says all of them make noise and are stubborn!
#20
I had a 996 stock shifter for a while, feels ok but the very long throw just doesn't go with the car.
I had a SSK on my previous 996TT. It felt good, not notchy but it does give your shifter mechanism and synchros a harder life.
Then I went to the 997 stock shifter that I have now which feels great. I prefer it to the SSK bc it retains a little more real feel, the SSK takes away some sensitivity.
If you have the cables messed up and no reference, just leave the car in neutral, then release the cables and let everything get to rest in neutral position (cables, stick), then click in the cables without adding tension in any direction.
Next gently lock the cable positions and carefully try out that the gears engage properly.
Another thing to consider is that gearbox oil temperature will change the feel of the gearbox slightly, and if you have to bleed your clutch, the car will shift easily when cold but get difficult to shift when hot - and it gets somewhat "random" like you are describing, if you happen to rev-match perfect the gear will go in easy even with a poorly bled clutch and if you don't then it will resist. So check clutch bleed as well.
What's most important during this phase when you are trying to figure it out, is to NEVER force these cars into gear, it's utterly expensive if you damage any of the internal components with excessive force on the stick. We're not talking a little expensive, it's going to get extremely costly if you cause damage. Gears should trickle in gently and rev-matching helps it become even smoother so that's a good driving habit to develop.
I had a SSK on my previous 996TT. It felt good, not notchy but it does give your shifter mechanism and synchros a harder life.
Then I went to the 997 stock shifter that I have now which feels great. I prefer it to the SSK bc it retains a little more real feel, the SSK takes away some sensitivity.
If you have the cables messed up and no reference, just leave the car in neutral, then release the cables and let everything get to rest in neutral position (cables, stick), then click in the cables without adding tension in any direction.
Next gently lock the cable positions and carefully try out that the gears engage properly.
Another thing to consider is that gearbox oil temperature will change the feel of the gearbox slightly, and if you have to bleed your clutch, the car will shift easily when cold but get difficult to shift when hot - and it gets somewhat "random" like you are describing, if you happen to rev-match perfect the gear will go in easy even with a poorly bled clutch and if you don't then it will resist. So check clutch bleed as well.
What's most important during this phase when you are trying to figure it out, is to NEVER force these cars into gear, it's utterly expensive if you damage any of the internal components with excessive force on the stick. We're not talking a little expensive, it's going to get extremely costly if you cause damage. Gears should trickle in gently and rev-matching helps it become even smoother so that's a good driving habit to develop.
Last edited by MrWhite; 10-27-2012 at 03:30 PM.
#22
If worse when cold, then gets better hot, you can try a different gearbox oil that doesn't get "thick" when cold.
If the problem gets worse when hot, then it's ususally a clutch bleed issue, not a gearbox oil issue. Clutch oil will give a higher pressure when cold than when hot, so if the car needs a bleed, it may work ok when cold then the clutch fluid heats up and it doesn't release the clutch fully anymore.
#24
I did change to a B & M on my 996 C2 and liked the accurate throw and the notchy-ness. Almost like steering through a Ferrari shifter gate. Must say the reverse was a very short throw, possibly a little TOO short but it worked great . Now on my 996T I have decided to keep the OEM version, slighly too long but pretty precise
#26
I prefer the Porsche 996 SSK made by B&M. I installed it myself, works flawlessly, exactly what I expected. Shifting is short, positive and deliberate with a bit of increase in the effort which is not a bad thing. It's very predictable and I haven't missed a shift since installing it or felt any reason not to like it. If this was luxury car it may feel a little too engaging but for a Porsche it is very fitting and adds to the driving experience. Next will be to remove the clutch booster spring for the pedal to increase the clutch feel and increase the effort a bit.
#27
2 different root causes;
If worse when cold, then gets better hot, you can try a different gearbox oil that doesn't get "thick" when cold.
If the problem gets worse when hot, then it's ususally a clutch bleed issue, not a gearbox oil issue. Clutch oil will give a higher pressure when cold than when hot, so if the car needs a bleed, it may work ok when cold then the clutch fluid heats up and it doesn't release the clutch fully anymore.
If worse when cold, then gets better hot, you can try a different gearbox oil that doesn't get "thick" when cold.
If the problem gets worse when hot, then it's ususally a clutch bleed issue, not a gearbox oil issue. Clutch oil will give a higher pressure when cold than when hot, so if the car needs a bleed, it may work ok when cold then the clutch fluid heats up and it doesn't release the clutch fully anymore.
#29
So I went out for a nice long drive today, and I noticed that the shifts are incredibly smoother when I take my time shifting. The effort and noise and is severely reduced when I'm taking it easy like that. I'm hesitant to go with the 997 standard shifter because I don't feel like running into the same problem again, so I may just put in the 996 standard one back and see if it really does bother me that much