Should I accept this fix and dont think Ruf liked my post
#121
Your previous posts state that your shop said the bumper looked great and went on with hardly any mods. Ergo there were some mods, and the shop did some work on it. Later you say the side sticks out 3 inches. Whatever.
#122
KJM3SMG
KJM3SMG,
I am not saying that Doug should have noticed this earlier. I am simply pointing out that his SHOP reported that it looked kick-*** when in fact it was misaligned by three inches. Thats a reflection on the shop - the shop that admitted the did mods to the piece - and not a reflection on Doug. I think Doug understands that, hence his response to me:
"I agree."
Please read MY post a little more carefully...some deductive thinking is required but not much...
I am not saying that Doug should have noticed this earlier. I am simply pointing out that his SHOP reported that it looked kick-*** when in fact it was misaligned by three inches. Thats a reflection on the shop - the shop that admitted the did mods to the piece - and not a reflection on Doug. I think Doug understands that, hence his response to me:
"I agree."
Please read MY post a little more carefully...some deductive thinking is required but not much...
#125
Originally posted by KJM3SMG
umm.. Doug already explained why he prematurely said it looked good. Please read his posts carefully.
umm.. Doug already explained why he prematurely said it looked good. Please read his posts carefully.
I was told that there was no mods to the bumper. "It bolted right up." Some of the hoses were apparently a PIA to get to and the shop had to flip the center radiator which may or may not have been in the instructions. Also, there was some radiator bracket modifications. About 15 or 20 pieces in the kit.
I agree that this is taking too much time and energy. Its just a bumper cover.
#126
Re: KJM3SMG
Originally posted by seh1
Please read MY post a little more carefully...some deductive thinking is required but not much...
Please read MY post a little more carefully...some deductive thinking is required but not much...
#127
hehehe
Deductive reasoning can be described as reasoning of the form if A then B. Deduction is in some sense the direct application of knowledge in the production of new knowledge.
If-then deductive reasoning is how scientists (and other people!) can test alternate hypotheses.
Making deductions is important when we cannot directly observe a CAUSE (e.g bad mold/shipping/installers heat gun), and can only observe its CONSEQUENCES (e.g. its off by three inches).
This kind of reasoning can be modeled by the following:
If ...
Then...
Another distinction is general to specific v. specific to general.
But perhaps more importantly:
Any inductive argument can also be expressed deductively, and any deductive argument can also be expressed inductively.
If you prefer I'll flip the duck from de- to in-...
If-then deductive reasoning is how scientists (and other people!) can test alternate hypotheses.
Making deductions is important when we cannot directly observe a CAUSE (e.g bad mold/shipping/installers heat gun), and can only observe its CONSEQUENCES (e.g. its off by three inches).
This kind of reasoning can be modeled by the following:
If ...
Then...
Another distinction is general to specific v. specific to general.
But perhaps more importantly:
Any inductive argument can also be expressed deductively, and any deductive argument can also be expressed inductively.
If you prefer I'll flip the duck from de- to in-...
Last edited by seh1; 07-28-2005 at 02:39 PM.
#129
wrong
Originally posted by seh1
Deductive reasoning can be described as reasoning of the form if A then B. Deduction is in some sense the direct application of knowledge in the production of new knowledge.
If-then deductive reasoning is how scientists (and other people!) can test alternate hypotheses.
Making deductions is important when we cannot directly observe a CAUSE (e.g bad mold/shipping/installers heat gun), and can only observe its CONSEQUENCES (e.g. its off by three inches).
This kind of reasoning can be modeled by the following:
If ...
Then...
Another distinction is general to specific v. specific to general.
But perhaps more importantly:
Any inductive argument can also be expressed deductively, and any deductive argument can also be expressed inductively.
If you prefer I'll flip the duck from de- to in-...
Deductive reasoning can be described as reasoning of the form if A then B. Deduction is in some sense the direct application of knowledge in the production of new knowledge.
If-then deductive reasoning is how scientists (and other people!) can test alternate hypotheses.
Making deductions is important when we cannot directly observe a CAUSE (e.g bad mold/shipping/installers heat gun), and can only observe its CONSEQUENCES (e.g. its off by three inches).
This kind of reasoning can be modeled by the following:
If ...
Then...
Another distinction is general to specific v. specific to general.
But perhaps more importantly:
Any inductive argument can also be expressed deductively, and any deductive argument can also be expressed inductively.
If you prefer I'll flip the duck from de- to in-...
http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graph...c/ind-ded.html
#130
Originally posted by HotRodGuy
This whole situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by all sides
This whole situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by all sides
In one pickup truck, the guy who lived lost his wife, lost his mother, lost his father and he had to prop his mothers head up that was sticking through the windshield as she bleed to death in the truck that was flipped upside down sitting in a ditch while waiting on the ambulance. It was in the middle of the night in the country and took ambulance 30 or 40 minutes.
Anyway, that guy definitely had a bad day. We could not get a jury in the box Monday morning before judge continued case at about 11:30. That is pretty much why the shop and Ruf did not hear from me immediately Monday morning and why Ruf called shop and shop was clueless Monday morning. My bumper was down on my list of priorities Monday morning.
#134
Originally posted by cjv
Free advise is worth exactly what it cost you.
With you last last remark, I'm not worried about it either. Congraduations, your the first attorney I've put on my Iqnore List. I'm right behind you Roland.
Free advise is worth exactly what it cost you.
With you last last remark, I'm not worried about it either. Congraduations, your the first attorney I've put on my Iqnore List. I'm right behind you Roland.
#135
In reading all of the threads, counselor I believe your shop was at fault for doing a poor install on a fine product. The fact that Ruf is willing to cut you some slack and help you out speaks volumes for Ruf, you would never see gambella, etc do that for a customer. I say again, just let Ruf make it right for you, that's some free medical advice!