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Old 07-24-2013 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ASLAN
I have them both set at the middle setting for now. I may try stiff in the rear to see how that feels. But, for now, they feel great! What drop links did you go with?
KW links that came with my coilovers in the front and OE in the rear.
 
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Originally Posted by ASLAN
What drop links did you go with?
I know this question was not directed at me. Go with Tarret, GMG, Rennline, or TRG adjustable type. IMHO use TRG only for the fronts. The curved TRG DLs will have better clearence with regard to the axle shaft.

Originally Posted by sinKing
KW links that came with my coilovers in the front and OE in the rear.
My front links from KW lasted a very short time before the ball popped out of the socket.
 

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Originally Posted by ASLAN
I have them both set at the middle setting for now. I may try stiff in the rear to see how that feels. But, for now, they feel great! What drop links did you go with?
How is the car balanced right now and do you know what to expect from that adjustment?
 
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Originally Posted by 996TWINS
I know this question was not directed at me. Go with Tarret, GMG, Rennline, or TRG adjustable type. IMHO use TRG only for the fronts. The curved TRG DLs will have better clearence with regard to the axle shaft.



My front links from KW lasted a very short time before the ball popped out of the socket.
FYI - Rennline makes some nice curved front DL's as well. They weren't sure of fitment on a 996TT so I tested it for them. No binding or any issues at all. Not sure if they have advertised them as compatible with our cars yet, but they should. All that is different with (I think) the C4S kit is that the pinch bolt that gets used needs to be 120mm long.
 
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My front links from KW lasted a very short time before the ball popped out of the socket.
How much did you lower?
 
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Old 07-25-2013 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sinKing
How much did you lower?
Not really sure, but around 1 1/2".

When the KW DLs were installed they seemed a little too long.
 
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Originally Posted by 996TWINS
I know this question was not directed at me. Go with Tarret, GMG, Rennline, or TRG adjustable type. IMHO use TRG only for the fronts. The curved TRG DLs will have better clearence with regard to the axle shaft.


My front links from KW lasted a very short time before the ball popped out of the socket.

Thanks much for the input!

Originally Posted by Engine Guy
How is the car balanced right now and do you know what to expect from that adjustment?
Not exactly sure what you mean. It is corner balanced with -1.6 camber front, -2.0 rear, .5mm toe in front, 2mm toe in rear. Is that what you mean? Sounds like you are going in a certain direction so, please, educate me.
 
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Originally Posted by ASLAN
Thanks much for the input!



Not exactly sure what you mean. It is corner balanced with -1.6 camber front, -2.0 rear, .5mm toe in front, 2mm toe in rear. Is that what you mean? Sounds like you are going in a certain direction so, please, educate me.
I mean for over steer / under steer how is it balanced. Does it do either continuously or transition from one to another mid corner.

I myself like to set my cars up so they over steer with the throttle on and slightly transition to a wee bit of under steer when you slightly pull off the throttle. That was easy to get with my Audi RS6 but with a Porsche the heavy rears tend to make that way harder to achieve.

I was not going any direction with my question, I was just wondering what you were trying to achieve.

Your alignment is a very good street performance alignment.

So how did the install go on the sway bar?

Remember when adjusting the inner hole is stiffer and the outer hole is a softer sway bar setting, I find many people get the backwards when first starting to tune.
 

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Old 07-26-2013 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Engine Guy
I mean for over steer / under steer how is it balanced. Does it do either continuously or transition from one to another mid corner.

I myself like to set my cars up so they over steer with the throttle on and slightly transition to a wee bit of under steer when you slightly pull off the throttle. That was easy to get with my Audi RS6 but with a Porsche the heavy rears tend to make that way harder to achieve.

I was not going any direction with my question, I was just wondering what you were trying to achieve.

Your alignment is a very good street performance alignment.

So how did the install go on the sway bar?

Remember when adjusting the inner hole is stiffer and the outer hole is a softer sway bar setting, I find many people get the backwards when first starting to tune.
Thanks again! I had not noticed either over- or under-steer, so my car seemed pretty neutral. Although I have not tracked it (yet...?), what pushed me to do the mod was the rubber band feeling described by sinKing in the referenced thread. Again, the sway bars have eliminated about 95% of that. So, the $330 spent has been worth it just for that!

I do appreciate the description of over-steer vs. under-steer with the throttle on/off. That makes sense. The alignment / corner balance was done by Joey at BBI, so I would expect it to be spot on!

The install went smooth. I did not remove the wheels as recommended by Eibach, but raised the car and supported the wheels on blocks. I read, after the fact, about rubbing, but I haven't thoroughly checked that out yet.

For the front bar, I did not completely remove the sub-frame braces, just the front bolts, loosened the rear, and swung them out of the way. In measuring the stock bar to the Eibach, the holes lined up with the softest setting. It was obvious to me, on the Eibach, the inner hole was the stiffest as the bar, then, has scientifically less flex. Due to my neutral feel before the mod, I started with the middle setting on both rear and front Eibachs'.

Any further thoughts?
 
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If you say it is nice and neutral and you are happy with that then you should be good. One thing to watch for with the stiffer sways is your rebound dampening might be a tad soft, or you are rebounding to fast now. Pay attention to that in some bumpy corners to see if you are pogo'ing on the outside wheel or both. It will feel like the car is twisting followed by some slight squirm.

Joey is really good with alignments, he aint cheap or fast but he does set the car up very nicely. I spent over a week with the BBI boys last summer doing some major tweaking with my car; suspension, fuel system, clutch. There not a well organized shop but the guys all care about the work they do which is nice to see, I have no complaints about that.

I was hoping to get down there to do the Modball rally with them this year but my flying dreams took priority over that this year.
 
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Originally Posted by Engine Guy
If you say it is nice and neutral and you are happy with that then you should be good. One thing to watch for with the stiffer sways is your rebound dampening might be a tad soft, or you are rebounding to fast now. Pay attention to that in some bumpy corners to see if you are pogo'ing on the outside wheel or both. It will feel like the car is twisting followed by some slight squirm.

Joey is really good with alignments, he aint cheap or fast but he does set the car up very nicely. I spent over a week with the BBI boys last summer doing some major tweaking with my car; suspension, fuel system, clutch. There not a well organized shop but the guys all care about the work they do which is nice to see, I have no complaints about that.

I was hoping to get down there to do the Modball rally with them this year but my flying dreams took priority over that this year.
So, should I perhaps set the PSS9's to a stiffer setting? I have them F-5 / R-4 right now. I had no idea what the Modball was until now,,,looks fun!
 
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