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Originally Posted by VGLNTE1
Why did yours keep blowing up?
Sent it to a crappy shop in Houston (MTI) who was a CF sponsor and highly regarded at the time, they butchered my build, left of thousands of dollars in parts, and made the clearances all wrong.

Brought it back to Ga and had it rebuilt and poof again. And in between those, it blew turbos left and right. I started the build before I got into road racing, hence the turbo's. Had the best of everything in that motor.

Finally got sick of it and got a TT, best decision I've made.



Originally Posted by z06801
kinda reminds me of this this guy I started at the back because i didn't have a qualify time so I started at the back caught him last guy in my class and watch this drag race down the front straight
http://youtu.be/KbSGee7wXqs
Here is mine. Note my car in these videos is about 3150 lbs and 514 whp so still in the 6.1/1 weight to power range. And is getting to 163-167 (pending aero setup) on the back straight at Road Atlanta.

The GT-R claimed to the TT director they were only running 600 whp. The Corvette claimed like 556 whp and 3475 + lbs. How you get a C6Z full race car (races ST as well) to 3475 lbs is beyond me, and the video suggests otherwise. There is no WAY AT ALL a lower ratio Z06 pulls on me at all let alone 2 bus lengths.

Saw his submitted dyno sheet, the original was black and white, you could barely read anything, and it only had HP listed. They updated it with the torque and it was 556/500. One of my good track buds has a 618 whp Z06 that does not pull me this hard, have him on video too.

Been a lot of lying in the SE for a while, we'll see who shows up at Nationals with legit numbers. I'm looking forward to that. The record I broke was from an illegal car.

https://vimeo.com/79878359
 
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Sounds like my E30 M3. When I finally got the suspension/braking setup to where I wanted it to be I had a different shop build my motor. Then, lost 2 motors in 2 consecutive races at nearly $20k a motor. My third was built like a turd and the car never ran the same. I sold the car for virtually nothing. That was the end of racing for me after 5 years.
 

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As I said earlier, you're asking for too much. If you want a fast, reasonably reliable car, you're best bet is always going to be a real racecar. OR, a slow street car. Pick your poison. S2000s, Miatas are great track cars that can be run for very cheap (well, it's all relative) and rarely break. But you won't get that big speed surge that is so thrilling. A used real racecar can be bought for fairly cheap (compared to a street version of that car), but will have to be stored and trailered, and the truck and trailer are an issue. A formula car will offer the best speed/dollar experience in the world, and can be very cheap to run, but has to be stored, trailered and trucked. A late-model Porsche/Corvette/Viper/BMW/GTR can be fun and don't have to be trailered, but the weight and power of these cars puts really big demands on all the hardware and tends to break things much more often. [shrug] Not sure there's a way to beat the old racer's adage: Fast, cheap, reliable: pick two. (with a 996TT you've only picked one! )
 
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Originally Posted by bmwtmx
So this is a bit confusing. I should buy a Z06 (C5 or C6) and then swap out the motor for a built one from an earlier car? This sounds like a bit much. When I was racing down here (Florida) there was one guy who had a C5 Z06 and I don't think that car ever finished a race. I looked at Vette's for a long time but I got scared away due to motor issues.

I tracked a C5 Z06 back when they were sold and the tranny overheated, then the diff so we had to park it after just a few laps. That's why I was asking. Again, I don't want a headache and I could never find the "right" Vette to track.

This is an expensive addiction! Maybe I should have taken up krockodile!
I guess that how I got to over 60k in hardware built trans and diff both with driven coolers dry sumps ect. big radiators, need to shut up about how mine has been good and knock on wood I probably have one coming
Your Turbo is probably getting close to being trouble free, for a car you can drive to the track and want to drive on the street a modified turbo is pretty sweet! Trying to talk my wife into a low mile 997TT for her DD so I can take mine down that road even more.

Originally Posted by heavychevy
Sent it crappy shop in Houston (MTI) who was a CF sponsor and highly regarded at the time, they butchered my build, left of thousands of dollars in parts, and made the clearances all wrong.

Brought it back to Ga and had it rebuilt and poof again. And in between those, it blew turbos left and right. I started the build before I got into road racing, hence the turbo's. Had the best of everything in that motor.

Finally got sick of it and got a TT, best decision I've made.





Here is mine. Note my car in these videos is about 3150 lbs and 514 whp so still in the 6.1/1 weight to power range. And is getting to 163-167 (pending aero setup) on the back straight at Road Atlanta.

The GT-R claimed to the TT director they were only running 600 whp. The Corvette claimed like 556 whp and 3475 + lbs. How you get a C6Z full race car (races ST as well) to 3475 lbs is beyond me, and the video suggests otherwise. There is no WAY AT ALL a lower ratio Z06 pulls on me at all let alone 2 bus lengths.

Saw his submitted dyno sheet, the original was black and white, you could barely read anything, and it only had HP listed. They updated it with the torque and it was 556/500. One of my good track buds has a 618 whp Z06 that does not pull me this hard, have him on video too.

Been a lot of lying in the SE for a while, we'll see who shows up at Nationals with legit numbers. I'm looking forward to that. The record I broke was from an illegal car.

https://vimeo.com/79878359
Thats about how bad Kyle pulls me in his GT-R down the full front straight when he is running full tune! no way that guy is legal TT1. You were killing him on the brakes and corners.
 
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Originally Posted by bmwtmx
So this is a bit confusing. I should buy a Z06 (C5 or C6) and then swap out the motor for a built one from an earlier car? This sounds like a bit much. When I was racing down here (Florida) there was one guy who had a C5 Z06 and I don't think that car ever finished a race. I looked at Vette's for a long time but I got scared away due to motor issues.

I tracked a C5 Z06 back when they were sold and the tranny overheated, then the diff so we had to park it after just a few laps. That's why I was asking. Again, I don't want a headache and I could never find the "right" Vette to track.

This is an expensive addiction! Maybe I should have taken up krockodile!
Man, I just don't get that. The 2002+ ls6 was the best motor gm made. Those things take such a beating and just keep on going. If you wanted a fun track toy, I'd just get one and leave the motor stock. Add Pfc brake pads, gut it, add a good seat (corvette seats suck) And I guess coolers if you needed it, but you can build cooler set ups yourself for a fraction of what some shops charge. R comp tires and it would be fun. They are so easy to drive on the edge. Then add some mods as you go. I had LG build me some custom coil overs for mine and that made the car sooooo much better to. But bottom line is, you can get a awesome track weapon, street car for way under 25k. You can pick one up for 15k. But, I. Biased ;-)
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Sent it to a crappy shop in Houston (MTI) who was a CF sponsor and highly regarded at the time, they butchered my build, left of thousands of dollars in parts, and made the clearances all wrong.

Brought it back to Ga and had it rebuilt and poof again. And in between those, it blew turbos left and right. I started the build before I got into road racing, hence the turbo's. Had the best of everything in that motor.

Finally got sick of it and got a TT, best decision I've made.





Here is mine. Note my car in these videos is about 3150 lbs and 514 whp so still in the 6.1/1 weight to power range. And is getting to 163-167 (pending aero setup) on the back straight at Road Atlanta.

The GT-R claimed to the TT director they were only running 600 whp. The Corvette claimed like 556 whp and 3475 + lbs. How you get a C6Z full race car (races ST as well) to 3475 lbs is beyond me, and the video suggests otherwise. There is no WAY AT ALL a lower ratio Z06 pulls on me at all let alone 2 bus lengths.

Saw his submitted dyno sheet, the original was black and white, you could barely read anything, and it only had HP listed. They updated it with the torque and it was 556/500. One of my good track buds has a 618 whp Z06 that does not pull me this hard, have him on video too.

Been a lot of lying in the SE for a while, we'll see who shows up at Nationals with legit numbers. I'm looking forward to that. The record I broke was from an illegal car.

https://vimeo.com/79878359

Wow, no wonder why you have a bad taste in your mouth. That's why I build my own stuff. I don't trust anyone....but ya, mti was supposed to be top notch. I did have slogging dickey assemble the short block. I did mine when I liked drag racing so it was made for a 500 shot and why I have a Callie's dragons layer crank. Lol. Bit overkill now for a track rat. 4000$ crank. Oh well.
 
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Originally Posted by bmwtmx
So this is a bit confusing. I should buy a Z06 (C5 or C6) and then swap out the motor for a built one from an earlier car? This sounds like a bit much. When I was racing down here (Florida) there was one guy who had a C5 Z06 and I don't think that car ever finished a race. I looked at Vette's for a long time but I got scared away due to motor issues.

I tracked a C5 Z06 back when they were sold and the tranny overheated, then the diff so we had to park it after just a few laps. That's why I was asking. Again, I don't want a headache and I could never find the "right" Vette to track.

This is an expensive addiction! Maybe I should have taken up krockodile!
Originally Posted by VGLNTE1
Man, I just don't get that. The 2002+ ls6 was the best motor gm made. Those things take such a beating and just keep on going. If you wanted a fun track toy, I'd just get one and leave the motor stock. Add Pfc brake pads, gut it, add a good seat (corvette seats suck) And I guess coolers if you needed it, but you can build cooler set ups yourself for a fraction of what some shops charge. R comp tires and it would be fun. They are so easy to drive on the edge. Then add some mods as you go. I had LG build me some custom coil overs for mine and that made the car sooooo much better to. But bottom line is, you can get a awesome track weapon, street car for way under 25k. You can pick one up for 15k. But, I. Biased ;-)
I agree, keep it simple. Motor swaps and such are a PITB. Just get a C5Z, track prep it and go to the track.

But your TT is a beast, with what you have on it, it will run with/outrun most of the new cars coming out today. A TT like mine started off, with Tune (K24), exhaust, coilovers, pads, rear sway and MPSC I would gladly put up against anything new coming out, any day. Times I ran in 2007 after having my car only a year full weight, no aero, with the mods listed still beat the new gen Corvettes, GT-R's Vipers on similar tires (and most guys on faster ones). And I'm a much better driver now, I almost want to get a second one to DE. It's become one of the best bangs for buck out there.

You just need to have it gone over with a fine tooth comb, which it sounds like you have done already. At 12-13 years old, it needs some updating in a few areas, as will the C5Z.
 
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Well the car is back and it's still a beast. Although after driving my modded 930 for a month it feels like a Lexus! That said I am praying it survives. I truly love this car.
 
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Park & Dez...after seeing your guy's videos... wow so intense battles...i said no tracking with the new car---after those videos... i have a sudden urge to compete again damn i love road racing.
 
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You bought a GT3 and planned NEVER to take it to the track? Need I remind you of some of your previous posts about gt3 owners who never go to the track? ....... hmm?
 
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Well the car is back and it's still a beast. Although after driving my modded 930 for a month it feels like a Lexus! That said I am praying it survives. I truly love this car.
Thats good to hear! Whenever my turbo is in the shop for awhile I start to forget how much I love that car, always feels so good to drive it again. MInes down right now for a new gearbox can't wait to get it back on the road.



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Park & Dez...after seeing your guy's videos... wow so intense battles...i said no tracking with the new car---after those videos... i have a sudden urge to compete again damn i love road racing.
haha Those self imposed "Not going to track the new car" rules never last
 
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You bought a GT3 and planned NEVER to take it to the track? Need I remind you of some of your previous posts about gt3 owners who never go to the track? ....... hmm?
I just got ownd.... yes i read your comments too.. just being in the market, there were easier cars to drive fast for the money i.e. GTR/911 PDK but not for a nano second consider it...so i'm still a die heart manual guy rest assure.

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haha Those self imposed "Not going to track the new car" rules never last
It does not not... after reading Dez comment i signed up for Laguna Seca come Decm 21st.. first shake down session.
 
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