I will be right in the range I want, which is beating full bolt on cars like the GTR's and CTS V's and having no second guess's. I still beat the majority of them now but I would like to have a little project that I can afford. Cant afford a full 15k build on just engine alone. The E85 will come last but I do planning for a living so I like to source my options then make a final decision and this forum brings a wealth of information, proven in this thread.

 

Exactly what I am looking for that 700+ whp range and call it a day.

 

my question to a few highly qualified engine builders and tuners was if i could only afford either engine management or a complete engine internal build which would be a better buy? overwhelmingly was engine management. control the engine torque and fueling and the internals will yield 700 rwhp safely and consistently. even if you build the motor down the line the management is still in place to monitor everything you do.

i did proefi with every sensor the tuner wanted including egt and back pressure on both banks and the internal datalogging lcd screen flex fuel and all the other sensors and the 996 tt harness for 5200$ shipped during his black friday sale. with paying for tuner fees expenses and flight im still close to 3000$ less than and internal build and i can run e85 at will. the fueling setup was the same regardless of which direction i went

 

Both sides of the fence people want to sell their product but I agree. You can build a great engine but without a great tune its nothing. You will just have a constant problem and claim big numbers……without real world accomplishments. I don't see how a 18g car at 585whp can do a 10.4 and a 1000+ car does 10.1. Something just doesn't make sense……..

 

As you get faster so does the world. The slop is quite slippery..

 

Management is the way to go. With the proEfi you can control the added pumps and will not over heat the fuel. Steve you are with out a doubt getting the most value for your dollar. Switzer proved this already.

 

This is a damn good thread!

Good healthy debate, some expert opinion and very little mud slinging.

I'm really happy to see ProEfi catching on. And Mark is right, you don't

need 1000+ hp....unless you're doing mile events. This is not to say that

I don't appreciate Tims efforts or people like him and their efforts.

It is simply left up to the individual and their particular goals. My goal was to

build a relatively reliable Porsche that would outrun 99.99% of cars on the road

and I've achieved that.

Any way you slice it, horsepower in a Porsche is expensive. I had a 914 with a
383 stroker. It was a 2200 lb car with around 400 hp. This was in the 90s and it
was FAST, even by current standards. It had a Chevrolet 383 stroker and it was
damned expensive to work on and keep running. There really is no super cheap
way to go fast in a Porsche. As in all of life, we pay to play.

For the money I put into this Porsche, I could have been in the 8s with a gtr or
low 9s in a Gallardo. I HATE gtr's and I'm no fan of Italian. I do however, need to
see a psychiatrist.

 

Subscribed once again!

 

[QUOTE=32krazy!;3999017]set me free? LOL! you are certainly a legend in your own mind marky mark.
its so ironic that you disparage a shop you dont know anything about yet feel they arent qualified because they arent a "porsche" shop, yet YOU FARM OUT LAYINGBACKS ENGINE BUILD TO SPEEDRIVEN A ... WAIT FOR IT... A MERCEDES SPECIALIST WHO BUILDS V12 ENGINES!! why? maybe because you didnt have the tools, the shop nor the experience to build an engine. rest assured when i take my car to the shop ill be elbow deep with the shop owner pulling the motor and helping any way i can. learning as i go.



One one misguided individual. At no point did I ever attacked you personally yet you are trying to smear my name over what? That Im pointing out that its not as easy as you think to make E85 work? I never said anything about any shop... I don't even know where your car is... I only said that its better to give it to someone who has done this on a P car before. Ask Randy, he was there for a week when I busted my *** on his car 12/hours a day... and guess what? He broke 2x 60 to 130 records not one... as a matter of fact, he blew the doors off of you on his k16gs when he came back...
Never have I said Im an engine builder either to you nor Randy, Ill be the first to admit. But I do work with Speedriven and that is not secret. Just so you know there was no "farming out", Randy had the deal with Martin directly and I only oversaw that part of the project ( on my own dime). So Why your so hostile is beyond me... whats your deal? mind you my car traps 154 mph and runs 122mph in 1/8th.... when you do that we can talk same language... for now you have a tricycle to say the least...
Furthermore, when you bought XXX intake and it didn't fit, I warned you you will have a problem- remember the various emails and a calls from you?- all this for free at no charge to you listening to your dumb *** ideas... and then you tried to get me to fix someone else's issue... nice move but I didn't go for it... you have 2 problems, you do not listen to good people and you do not respect others- and that is why your on your own...

markski

 

I agree. Lol.

 

I did some planning before all three of my builds. And all 3 of the builds were
very fast in their category. In fact, 2 of them broke records. The current build
is on smallish turbos but it beats much larger setups. As did the 16g and a28
build.

Chris Green picked up on this as well. He ran a 9.4 @ 157 with 800ish wheel
hp. I am looking to do similar in this car.

I could have as easily built a 1000 whp car as my 850 whp. The cost
difference would have been a couple grand and relative to what I've spent,
that's nothing lol. I'm of the opinion, for a well balanced 996TT, you wanna
stay in the 800 range with a good engine management system. This car is
faster down low then even my a28 setup and it is infinitely faster up top.

700-850 whp e85 and ProEfi is probably THE best place to be in a modified 996TT.
No less than 700 and no more than 850. Aagin, if your goal is brute power and
standing mile events, you need a thousand wheel to be competitive. If you wanna
beat Mustangs and Vets, you can get by on 550-600 wheel hp.

 

That is where I want to be. With pump and meth I believe I can get to 700whp with my research and I believe with the 3076 with E85 I think I can fine tune it more upwards to 800 where my MAX would be. I think 700 i will be content.

 

With e85 and 3076s you can make 1000 whp! And the ProEfi will allow you
to put almost all of that to the ground!

I firmly believe we'll see high 9s on 750 whp ProEfi setups.

 

This is a great topic, I'm in the middle of a fuel issue. Might have to change my rails. Seems to be a flow issue. Garth worked out some other issues I had. The fuel system would of worked with c16, but needs more flow with e85. Garth made a few pulls on wastegates just to see and made
800 whp. We can't crank it till the fuel issue is resolved. But looks very promising with the ProEfi.

 

I'm putting down around 850 and this car is a beast. I can't wait to see what
a build like yours will do. Needless to say, I'll be losing my #5 spot soon
on the 996TT 60-130 list