It looks as though we are about to get hit with another K24 shortage.
#16
09-15-2005, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Mike/A.W.E.
"LA 15-7 Mary 3 and 4 in pursuit of late model doo-doo brown American sedan that is most likely full of kids and is going to spin out then flip over trapping everyone inside."
Dude, I loved that show.
How hot was Bonnie?
"LA 15-7 Mary 3 and 4 in pursuit of late model doo-doo brown American sedan that is most likely full of kids and is going to spin out then flip over trapping everyone inside."
Dude, I loved that show.
How hot was Bonnie?
Believe it or not we had C.H.I.P.S over in England where I'm from and watched it religiously. Poncho got all the chicks though... Bonnie was sexy as hell.
#17
09-15-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by sharkster
'Cos getting GT640 Turbos (Garret Ball Bearing ones) that spool up even faster and have brutal low-end grunt...
'Cos getting GT640 Turbos (Garret Ball Bearing ones) that spool up even faster and have brutal low-end grunt...
I was under the impression that the verry first GT640/700 turbos were BB and then EVO went with non BB. What's the current status? Advantages / diss-advantages of each? I think I have the no BB version.Mike
#18
09-17-2005, 04:40 PM
I'm actually in the market for a 996TT right now and when I get it, I'm absolutely positively going K24s. No doubt they're the best bang for the buck. 503whp on a Mustang AWD dyno on pump gas using factory engineered turbos is pretty good in my book. Looking at the dyno sheets, there is 300 ft-lbs of torque at 3100rpms and 400 ft-lbs of torque at 3800rpms. I don't see how low-end can be an issue with these turbos.
I'm sure 525-550whp on K24s is attainable through higher octane tweaking. With some sticky tires and a good clutch, I think this would be enough to propel a 996 Turbo into the high 10's. Not too shabby for a $10K bolt-on kit!
Sharky's car is very fast with the Garrett turbos. No question there. The only downside is the cost. At $35900 excluding the airbox, built bottom end, etc., it's simply not as attractive to me as the K24s. I like going fast on a budget; it's more of a challenge that way.
I'm sure 525-550whp on K24s is attainable through higher octane tweaking. With some sticky tires and a good clutch, I think this would be enough to propel a 996 Turbo into the high 10's. Not too shabby for a $10K bolt-on kit!
Sharky's car is very fast with the Garrett turbos. No question there. The only downside is the cost. At $35900 excluding the airbox, built bottom end, etc., it's simply not as attractive to me as the K24s. I like going fast on a budget; it's more of a challenge that way.
#19
09-17-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by blunt
Kind of weak example considering you're comparing this car which is a) ~3000lbs and b) ran at a very good track. The guy has a fast car but not everyone is going to drop 600lbs (note that's like 16% weight reduction) or is comparing to that same track which is known to be a great place to run.
Kind of weak example considering you're comparing this car which is a) ~3000lbs and b) ran at a very good track. The guy has a fast car but not everyone is going to drop 600lbs (note that's like 16% weight reduction) or is comparing to that same track which is known to be a great place to run.
While my S4 may weigh 3000lbs, it doesn't automatically mean it's 600lbs lighter than other S4s. Most modded S4s have a lot of the same weight reducing mods I have, such as no full size spare; lighter brakes, wheels, downpipes, exhaust, etc. So in some instances, the difference may be as little as 200-300lbs.
#20
09-17-2005, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by sharkster
'Cos getting GT640 Turbos (Garret Ball Bearing ones) that spool up even faster and have brutal low-end grunt and then even more up top- should you want to take your chances with the law is better I feel
Just my opinion... K24s are better suited to highway cars in Germany where you can really test out that top end.
Chips!?!?! We don't need no stinking chips... It's all about the flash instead. Chips is sooo last year
'Cos getting GT640 Turbos (Garret Ball Bearing ones) that spool up even faster and have brutal low-end grunt and then even more up top- should you want to take your chances with the law is better I feel
Just my opinion... K24s are better suited to highway cars in Germany where you can really test out that top end.Chips!?!?! We don't need no stinking chips... It's all about the flash instead. Chips is sooo last year
#21
09-18-2005, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by 01TT
I'm sure 525-550whp on K24s is attainable through higher octane tweaking. With some sticky tires and a good clutch, I think this would be enough to propel a 996 Turbo into the high 10's.
I'm sure 525-550whp on K24s is attainable through higher octane tweaking. With some sticky tires and a good clutch, I think this would be enough to propel a 996 Turbo into the high 10's.
Craig
#22
09-18-2005, 01:09 AM
If I'm about to go 10's with tiny K04s and only 2.7 liters of displacement, I see no reason why I won't be able to do it with a 3.6L and much larger K24 turbos.
I think the reason why it may sound so hard to believe is because aside from a handful of people, nobody has put any serious effort into drag racing the 996TT. 99% of the guys who track their 996TT seem to do it on the road course, not the dragstrip.
I think the reason why it may sound so hard to believe is because aside from a handful of people, nobody has put any serious effort into drag racing the 996TT. 99% of the guys who track their 996TT seem to do it on the road course, not the dragstrip.
#23
09-19-2005, 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by 01TT
If I'm about to go 10's with tiny K04s and only 2.7 liters of displacement, I see no reason why I won't be able to do it with a 3.6L and much larger K24 turbos.
I think the reason why it may sound so hard to believe is because aside from a handful of people, nobody has put any serious effort into drag racing the 996TT. 99% of the guys who track their 996TT seem to do it on the road course, not the dragstrip.
If I'm about to go 10's with tiny K04s and only 2.7 liters of displacement, I see no reason why I won't be able to do it with a 3.6L and much larger K24 turbos.
I think the reason why it may sound so hard to believe is because aside from a handful of people, nobody has put any serious effort into drag racing the 996TT. 99% of the guys who track their 996TT seem to do it on the road course, not the dragstrip.
marc, you've resurfaced.......again
#24
09-19-2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by sharkster
Honestly Mike, I'm just not that keen on the K24s. They lag and don't really make all that much power
I much prefer the Garrett Turbos etc... or Hybrids.
Honestly Mike, I'm just not that keen on the K24s. They lag and don't really make all that much power
I much prefer the Garrett Turbos etc... or Hybrids.
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09-19-2005, 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by sharkster
Honestly Mike, I'm just not that keen on the K24s. They lag and don't really make all that much power I much prefer the Garrett Turbos etc... or Hybrids.
Honestly Mike, I'm just not that keen on the K24s. They lag and don't really make all that much power
I much prefer the Garrett Turbos etc... or Hybrids.
If you upgrade the compressor wheel to something better suited for higher boost applications you have a very nice combination.
The lag associated with K24's is easy to address. Reducing backpressure will alter the TIP vs backpressure ratio and reduce spoolup time.
FWIW I really like the Garrett ball bearing turbos as well.
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