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non x50 + GIAC Stage 1 + 100 Octane = 11.7 1/4 @ 125 mph?

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Old 11-01-2005, 07:44 PM
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non x50 + GIAC Stage 1 + 100 Octane = 11.7 1/4 @ 125 mph?

Is there any consensus on what a 2001 6 spd non x50 + GIAC Stage 1 + 100 Octane would do (just gas + chip only) - 1/4 mile 11.7 @ 125 mph or ? - anyone testing this particular combo (I think 510 hp flywheel or ?)

I don't want to be TOO much slower than Z06, and have been running the straight 100 Octane for some time now anyway - I can pull E55's with ease top and bottom end, so I know the gas is helping even stock - but I have a feeling the GIAC stage one + race fuel program would surprise me.

Are these times/mph realistic with just the gas + chip?

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Might want to at least use different air box and upgrade DV's.
 
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No ... have a 01 TT and my best was 11.5 at 124mph with k-24 race turbos and stage 4 ecu. 6 speed manual.
I ran 11.7 average. I have other mods like clutch, hoses, etc.
I ran my car well over 60 times for two years.
 
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Just read this post from the X50 vs. Gallardo thread - doesn't the stock X50 do at least 11.9 1/4, so you gained only 0.2-0.4 seconds with all your mods over x50?


Originally posted by calcareer
U.S . automobile magazines have documented acceleration time showing the X50 faster than the Gallardo at all checkpoints

.............0-60.......0-100 .......1/4mi........Trap

X50 .........3.7......... 8.8......... 11.7........120
Gallardo ....4.1......... 9.2..........12.4........118
 

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Originally posted by MARKSKI
No ... have a 01 TT and my best was 11.5 at 124mph with k-24 race turbos and stage 4 ecu. 6 speed manual.
I ran 11.7 average. I have other mods like clutch, hoses, etc.
I ran my car well over 60 times for two years.
Sharky ran an 11.6 @ 123mph in his k-16'd auto with just chip and 100 octane (I can't remember if he had exhaust or not - for some reason, I don't believe that he did, but who knows).

Here is Alex's quote, actually:

Originally posted by sharkster
Hi Marski,

Actually I did run an 11.6 @ 123 on stock turbos with just the ECU...
 

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Bond, it will remain to be seen how close ECU + exhaust will keep us. Race gas will make it that much closer. However, you have to remember that the Z06 has about a 300lb weight advantage. That makes a difference.
 
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Originally posted by Ruiner
Sharky ran an 11.6 @ 123mph in his k-16'd auto with just chip and 100 octane (I can't remember if he had exhaust or not - for some reason, I don't believe that he did, but who knows).
I agree... but his was a TIPTRONIC... its a whole different story. go to the track witha manual. ull sit like a duck at the start lane bouncing like crazy(hopping).
just look at it realistically guys, dont quote some other M5 board, or magazines. sharky CANNOT be used as a benchmark for 1/4 runs cause he always has something special... and he went many times like myself... and he has a TIP.
there is no way a TT can do 11.7s @ 125 with out it being a stage 4 or higher.. the car is too heavy.
a stage 4 will run 123-125 mph. If u get a good launch, like a 1.7sec. 60 ft... ull do 11.7.
BTW- the last shoot out in Vegas had cars ranging from 540 hp to 900 hp...and not even one broke into the 10s.
 
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Didn't Motor Trend get 11.7 in the quarter out of an X50?
 
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Originally posted by Dock (Atlanta)
Didn't Motor Trend get 11.7 in the quarter out of an X50?
How can a 50hp upgrade(x50) make ur TT knock off 1/2second of ET from a stock TT. . So does that mean stage 2,3,4, or higher will just knock off seconds? NO WAY.
How come the high HP cars at the shoot out... the gt 800s didnt do low 10s.... according to everyones theory- it should have- correct.
but no , it did 11.1 seconds. so how come it took 400 more HP to knock of 1.2 seconds.( off of a stock TT).
So how does a 50 Hp (x50) by itself knock off 1/2 second?
does anyone follow what Im trying to say? or is it just me.
You guys... its not that easy... just ask Sharky.
 
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Originally posted by MARKSKI
How can a 50hp upgrade(x50) make ur TT knock off 1/2second of ET from a stock TT. . So does that mean stage 2,3,4, or higher will just knock off seconds? NO WAY.
How come the high HP cars at the shoot out... the gt 800s didnt do low 10s.... according to everyones theory- it should have- correct.
but no , it did 11.1 seconds. so how come it took 400 more HP to knock of 1.2 seconds.( off of a stock TT).
So how does a 50 Hp (x50) by itself knock off 1/2 second?
does anyone follow what Im trying to say? or is it just me.
You guys... its not that easy... just ask Sharky.
I agree and its very weird.. But as you know, weather conditions are a big additive tot he highly modified turbo cars and other different conditions all vary the times of the cars being ran..

Motor trend did get a 3.7 0-60 and 11.8 1/4 mile in their x50 stock 996tt 6spd!!
 
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Originally posted by MARKSKI
How can a 50hp upgrade(x50) make ur TT knock off 1/2second of ET from a stock TT. . So does that mean stage 2,3,4, or higher will just knock off seconds? NO WAY.
How come the high HP cars at the shoot out... the gt 800s didnt do low 10s.... according to everyones theory- it should have- correct.
but no , it did 11.1 seconds. so how come it took 400 more HP to knock of 1.2 seconds.( off of a stock TT).
So how does a 50 Hp (x50) by itself knock off 1/2 second?
does anyone follow what Im trying to say? or is it just me.
You guys... its not that easy... just ask Sharky.
Actually, 35hp on the X50. However, it accels in the high rpms with the stronger turbos.

I ran 12.2x with just exhaust and heavy wheels on an 88' day AFTER making 3 or 4 runs already on the ****ty, 5 heat plugs at with 27k on them. I could have gone faster in 50' conditions and especially with new(er) plugs. I know that for a fact. Give me another 6lbs of boost with an ECU chip (70hp+ right there, easily) and stock wheels (my 19" wheels kill my trap speed and negate my gains from the exhaust) and I do believe that I could, too, run a 11.6-11.8 sec 1/4 mile time on a chipped ECU. Honestly, I believe that I could hit high 11s (I have the trap speed for it) with just exhaust and stock, 18" hollow spoke wheels.

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Originally posted by iLLM3
I agree and its very weird.. But as you know, weather conditions are a big additive tot he highly modified turbo cars and other different conditions all vary the times of the cars being ran..

Motor trend did get a 3.7 0-60 and 11.8 1/4 mile in their x50 stock 996tt 6spd!!
Motor Trend also got an 11.92 @ 116.1mph if I remember correctly (I'd need to look at the magazine) on a stock, 2001 turbo 6-spd with K-16s.
 
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Can an average person with some compitence do those 1/4 times. I don't think so. its really hard.
I ran it on 18s, 19s, even switched to MPSC tires.... changed the psi in tires... I launched numerous times at different rpms... noticed that launching below 3k rpms was best... sometimes it hooked... but mostley it wheel hopped. 1.74 sec. 60ft with a trap of 122.7 mph got me a 11.7 sec.
maybe we should get Motor trend to show up to the next shoot out.... who knows... with their driving skills they should be doing 9s... especially on a 800 HP TT.
 
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Let's forget about launches - every encounter I have had is either from rolling stop or high speed, then the differances in the cars are allowed to show through (besides, I don't want to learn how to launch at the expense of my driveline)

That said, once hooked up is my concern, and it appears that even a stock X50 would only suffer a slow pull away from the Z06 - I am still very curious to see more actual test results from the Vette, since I understand that both Car and Driver and Motor Trend tested their cars at Chevy's facility.

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Originally posted by bond
Let's forget about launches - every encounter I have had is either from rolling stop or high speed, then the differances in the cars are allowed to show through (besides, I don't want to learn how to launch at the expense of my driveline)

That said, once hooked up is my concern, and it appears that even a stock X50 would only suffer a slow pull away from the Z06 - I am still very curious to see more actual test results from the Vette, since I understand that both Car and Driver and Motor Trend tested their cars at Chevy's facility.

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I have seen the C6 Z06 run "reported" times in the 127mph trap speed area. That is a hefty speed and it will be a beast from a roll. I will be curious to see the upper gearing above 100mph. How a K16 will hang? I dunno. Those turbos do not shine on the top end as much as the K24s. They might just run out of breathe...
 


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