Autoweek New 997 Turbo
#16
Originally posted by Ruiner
Eh, I was thinking 460hp at the minimum for the base being that it will be a 3.8L now. Like you said, we'll see. We need to get together. I wanna see your car!
Eh, I was thinking 460hp at the minimum for the base being that it will be a 3.8L now. Like you said, we'll see. We need to get together. I wanna see your car!
we do need to get together - i've been doing so many calls that I don't even realize what day it is. i have yet to install one thing on this car even though i've already spent plenty of money - just sitting in the living room i did get the pocketlogger program and installed the software but have yet to hook that up to the car either
#17
Originally posted by Lizard1
Even with the 3.8, i don't see the HP jump that much - porsche has never done this... doesn't mean i wouldn't like them to, just don't think that they will
we do need to get together - i've been doing so many calls that I don't even realize what day it is. i have yet to install one thing on this car even though i've already spent plenty of money - just sitting in the living room i did get the pocketlogger program and installed the software but have yet to hook that up to the car either
Even with the 3.8, i don't see the HP jump that much - porsche has never done this... doesn't mean i wouldn't like them to, just don't think that they will
we do need to get together - i've been doing so many calls that I don't even realize what day it is. i have yet to install one thing on this car even though i've already spent plenty of money - just sitting in the living room i did get the pocketlogger program and installed the software but have yet to hook that up to the car either
You really need to get with it! I am sure that your car is missing you as is... Pretty soon, she will get lonely and depressed. At least she will have a "playmate" if i come over to visit. We'll be in touch...
#18
Originally posted by Ruiner
Dock, I cannot forsee Porsche pushing the 500hp envelope for the stock 911 turbo and definitely not hitting mid 11s @ 125mph (that will take more than 500hp in my opinion). To increase the car 85hp over the previous gen is a rather large jump that Porsche isn't know for.
I forsee 475hp, perhaps a smidge more weight, and the "S" might hit 500hp. I guess we'll see...
Dock, I cannot forsee Porsche pushing the 500hp envelope for the stock 911 turbo and definitely not hitting mid 11s @ 125mph (that will take more than 500hp in my opinion). To increase the car 85hp over the previous gen is a rather large jump that Porsche isn't know for.
I forsee 475hp, perhaps a smidge more weight, and the "S" might hit 500hp. I guess we'll see...
#19
the 911 turbo has historically always been the "bad boy" on the block, with tremendous performance, including straight line speed. Porsche would make a mistake to ignore the horsepower war that has been raging recently. It does matter to the potential customer. If it's not up to par with the F430 and Corvette Z06, they may not build more "loyalists" even if the current ones still swear by the brand. I would hate if Porsche only appealed to the "hey look at me I've got a Porsche" posers, and ignore the enthusiasts to whom PERFORMANCE is paramount. For that group, like here on this board, If it doesn't perform with the best of them, it won't matter how much "heritage" the company has. The arch-enemy of the 911 turbo, the F430, now has 490 hp, and the 997 turbo needs to at least match that.
#20
Originally posted by Ruiner
Dock, I cannot forsee Porsche pushing the 500hp envelope for the stock 911 turbo and definitely not hitting mid 11s @ 125mph (that will take more than 500hp in my opinion). To increase the car 85hp over the previous gen is a rather large jump that Porsche isn't know for.
I forsee 475hp, perhaps a smidge more weight, and the "S" might hit 500hp. I guess we'll see...
Dock, I cannot forsee Porsche pushing the 500hp envelope for the stock 911 turbo and definitely not hitting mid 11s @ 125mph (that will take more than 500hp in my opinion). To increase the car 85hp over the previous gen is a rather large jump that Porsche isn't know for.
I forsee 475hp, perhaps a smidge more weight, and the "S" might hit 500hp. I guess we'll see...
But as we all know, porsche has been pretty conservative on their published numbers the last few years w/ their turbo'd cars
#21
Porsche needs to stick their head up out of the sand and realize that they do not dictate the market. When the 996 TT came out they were competing with 396 hp Ferrari 360's, 405 hp Z06's, 400 hp M5's, & 355 hp E55's. Now the Ferrari F430 has 483 hp (+87 hp bump), the Z06 is 505 hp (+100 hp), the new M5/M6 will have 500 hp (+100 hp), and new AMG's are looking at 503 hp. You have to take a look at the landscape, and realize 20 hp bumps won't keep you even close to the game. If the new 997TT comes in anywhere close to 450 hp I wouldn't consider it. There are those that will always but a Porsche because it's a Porsche. then there are those that will look around at other cars, but get a Porsche if it makes the most sense. I am in the 2nd group. If it comes out at 450-475 hp I would seriously shop an M6, or some of the new AMG cars. 500hp is the new hp level. Be there or be left behind.
#22
Originally posted by Fanman
Porsche needs to stick their head up out of the sand and realize that they do not dictate the market. When the 996 TT came out they were competing with 396 hp Ferrari 360's, 405 hp Z06's, 400 hp M5's, & 355 hp E55's. Now the Ferrari F430 has 483 hp (+87 hp bump), the Z06 is 505 hp (+100 hp), the new M5/M6 will have 500 hp (+100 hp), and new AMG's are looking at 503 hp. You have to take a look at the landscape, and realize 20 hp bumps won't keep you even close to the game. If the new 997TT comes in anywhere close to 450 hp I wouldn't consider it. There are those that will always but a Porsche because it's a Porsche. then there are those that will look around at other cars, but get a Porsche if it makes the most sense. I am in the 2nd group. If it comes out at 450-475 hp I would seriously shop an M6, or some of the new AMG cars. 500hp is the new hp level. Be there or be left behind.
Porsche needs to stick their head up out of the sand and realize that they do not dictate the market. When the 996 TT came out they were competing with 396 hp Ferrari 360's, 405 hp Z06's, 400 hp M5's, & 355 hp E55's. Now the Ferrari F430 has 483 hp (+87 hp bump), the Z06 is 505 hp (+100 hp), the new M5/M6 will have 500 hp (+100 hp), and new AMG's are looking at 503 hp. You have to take a look at the landscape, and realize 20 hp bumps won't keep you even close to the game. If the new 997TT comes in anywhere close to 450 hp I wouldn't consider it. There are those that will always but a Porsche because it's a Porsche. then there are those that will look around at other cars, but get a Porsche if it makes the most sense. I am in the 2nd group. If it comes out at 450-475 hp I would seriously shop an M6, or some of the new AMG cars. 500hp is the new hp level. Be there or be left behind.
#23
Originally posted by iLLM3
Your right, but dont listen to any of these people, they have no clue what porsche will be pumpin out of the 997tt, and it wont be 450hp either!
Your right, but dont listen to any of these people, they have no clue what porsche will be pumpin out of the 997tt, and it wont be 450hp either!
#25
Originally posted by Fanman
If it comes out at 450-475 hp I would seriously shop an M6, or some of the new AMG cars. 500hp is the new hp level. Be there or be left behind.
If it comes out at 450-475 hp I would seriously shop an M6, or some of the new AMG cars. 500hp is the new hp level. Be there or be left behind.
If you are cross shopping a 997TT and the rest of those cars you listed because of their power, You aren't in it for the reasons most are. The TT is alot more of a sports car then the AMG and M cars.
#26
Originally posted by HotRodGuy
of course not, he's speculating against others speculations
of course not, he's speculating against others speculations
And my good friend is sales manager at porsche, he probably knows a little more than we do and he said it will be 500+, so who knows
#27
Originally posted by iLLM3
Hahaha, it just doesnt make sense, think about it!
And my good friend is sales manager at porsche, he probably knows a little more than we do and he said it will be 500+, so who knows
Hahaha, it just doesnt make sense, think about it!
And my good friend is sales manager at porsche, he probably knows a little more than we do and he said it will be 500+, so who knows
NO ONE KNOWS what it's gonna be except the guys building them right now
#28
Originally posted by iLLM3
And my good friend is sales manager at porsche, he probably knows a little more than we do and he said it will be 500+, so who knows
And my good friend is sales manager at porsche, he probably knows a little more than we do and he said it will be 500+, so who knows
In the end it's time for Porsche to have a look around at the current landscape. They could get away with incremental hp increases in the past, but not any longer. On top of that they should be decreasing weight with all their new lightweight materials, not increasing it! And stop mass producing these things, killing the exclusivity.
#29
If they can sell them, **** it, make as many as they can. And decreasing weight won't happen unfortunately. For everything they lighten up, the add in some comfort feature to balance it out
#30
Originally posted by HotRodGuy
If they can sell them, **** it, make as many as they can. And decreasing weight won't happen unfortunately. For everything they lighten up, the add in some comfort feature to balance it out
If they can sell them, **** it, make as many as they can. And decreasing weight won't happen unfortunately. For everything they lighten up, the add in some comfort feature to balance it out