60-130 MPH: A Better Performance Measurement Than The 1/4 Mile ET
#31
Good to see this being popular. Over at the 993TT board on RL we have been doing this for a while.
One learning is that the margin of error between stopwatch + video and the use of an AX22 is tremendous. The advantage of the AX in this case is that it lets you compare apples to apples in terms of number of shifts performed, wheelspin, etc..It also shows the gearing. For instance a 996 will have an advantage vs the 993 because it goes through the 130mph in 4th instead of 5th. etc..
Looking forward to some data and hoping that guys will post their good and not so good times as well. This is a portable dyno
One learning is that the margin of error between stopwatch + video and the use of an AX22 is tremendous. The advantage of the AX in this case is that it lets you compare apples to apples in terms of number of shifts performed, wheelspin, etc..It also shows the gearing. For instance a 996 will have an advantage vs the 993 because it goes through the 130mph in 4th instead of 5th. etc..
Looking forward to some data and hoping that guys will post their good and not so good times as well. This is a portable dyno
#33
I too love this test.
The only time I did this test in my M5..it did it in 7 seconds flat. 85 degrees outside, and 90 % humidity.
Craig...please, tell us your time. I can't wait to hear your time or BuddyG's time........yeah Buddy, I haven't forgot about my Gtech.........maybe this year I can get it back!
The only time I did this test in my M5..it did it in 7 seconds flat. 85 degrees outside, and 90 % humidity.
Craig...please, tell us your time. I can't wait to hear your time or BuddyG's time........yeah Buddy, I haven't forgot about my Gtech.........maybe this year I can get it back!
#34
Originally Posted by phillym5
I too love this test.
The only time I did this test in my M5..it did it in 7 seconds flat. 85 degrees outside, and 90 % humidity.
Craig...please, tell us your time. I can't wait to hear your time or BuddyG's time........yeah Buddy, I haven't forgot about my Gtech.........maybe this year I can get it back!
The only time I did this test in my M5..it did it in 7 seconds flat. 85 degrees outside, and 90 % humidity.
Craig...please, tell us your time. I can't wait to hear your time or BuddyG's time........yeah Buddy, I haven't forgot about my Gtech.........maybe this year I can get it back!
#36
Acceleration times using BMW's speedometers can't be directly compared to AX22 times.
BMW states that the speedometer on all BMW cars reads high a max of 10% of actual speed + 2.4 mph to compensate for negative tolerances in tire diameters, electronic controls, other factors (Service Bulletin SIB 620296).
So it's 8% fast at best...a little more than 10% at worst. The odometer is correct because it is recorded digitally.
Coming from someone that has owned two M3's, a M5 and a 330...I can assure you this is true.
So...if you are measuring a 60-130 time using a BMW speedometer...you should probably take the car to close to 140 on the speedo to actually ensure you hit 130. But really, the only way to get a truly accurate time is to use a AX22 instead of a speedometer period.
BMW states that the speedometer on all BMW cars reads high a max of 10% of actual speed + 2.4 mph to compensate for negative tolerances in tire diameters, electronic controls, other factors (Service Bulletin SIB 620296).
So it's 8% fast at best...a little more than 10% at worst. The odometer is correct because it is recorded digitally.
Coming from someone that has owned two M3's, a M5 and a 330...I can assure you this is true.
So...if you are measuring a 60-130 time using a BMW speedometer...you should probably take the car to close to 140 on the speedo to actually ensure you hit 130. But really, the only way to get a truly accurate time is to use a AX22 instead of a speedometer period.
Last edited by Divexxtreme; 04-05-2006 at 02:06 AM.
#38
Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Acceleration times using BMW's speedometers can't be directly compared to AX22 times.
BMW states that the speedomoter on all BMW cars reads high a max of 10% of actual speed + 2.4 mph to compensate for negative tolerances in tire diameters, electronic controls, other factors (Service Bulletin SIB 620296).
So it's 8% fast at best...a little more than 10% at worst. The odometer is correct because it is recorded digitally.
Coming from someone that has owned two M3's, a M5 and a 330...I can assure you this is true.
So...if you are measuring a 60-130 time using a BMW speedometer...you should probably take the car to close to 140 on the speedo to actually ensure you hit 130. But really, the only way to get a truly accurate time is to use a AX22 instead of a speedometer period.
BMW states that the speedomoter on all BMW cars reads high a max of 10% of actual speed + 2.4 mph to compensate for negative tolerances in tire diameters, electronic controls, other factors (Service Bulletin SIB 620296).
So it's 8% fast at best...a little more than 10% at worst. The odometer is correct because it is recorded digitally.
Coming from someone that has owned two M3's, a M5 and a 330...I can assure you this is true.
So...if you are measuring a 60-130 time using a BMW speedometer...you should probably take the car to close to 140 on the speedo to actually ensure you hit 130. But really, the only way to get a truly accurate time is to use a AX22 instead of a speedometer period.
#39
Originally Posted by phillym5
So then should I start timing at 70 too? Because if what you say is right, then Im not "really" going 60 either.
#40
Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
If you start at 60, then you're probably going 56 or so. But since the error increases exponentially... (i.e., 8% at 60 is 4.8 mph...and 8% at 130 is 104. mph)..you have to take that account as you increase your speed.
It is in that video it takes 7.1. Wierd how you would say 11. I was looking for the video, but I couldn't find it anymore. I think the majority of the people doing these little "self" times really don't care about the GPS'd speed. If my speedo says 60...than Im going to believe im going 60, even if I;m really only going 56. Maybe they should equipt cars with GPS speedo's. So, to you... no speed is legit, or no timed speed is legit...unless its GPS?? Thats quit boring.
#41
Nobody here ever claimed any AX22 recorded data. The R&T data isn't even accurate as you can see the Murcielago's times.
Phillym5 no offense but i remember that video and i also timed it. I think it was 40-130 in 11 seconds.
I always time my runs alittle more then the speed im looking for, i dont know about 130 being 140 mph though. I had a pioneer GPS unit on my car and i remember 120 on the speedo was actually showing 123 on the pioneer unit.
Also i dont think the Porsche speedo will be right on the mark either. It is said that Porsche has adopted the European standard which allows the speed to be wrong in a range up to 10% plus 4 kph just like BMW.
Phillym5 no offense but i remember that video and i also timed it. I think it was 40-130 in 11 seconds.
I always time my runs alittle more then the speed im looking for, i dont know about 130 being 140 mph though. I had a pioneer GPS unit on my car and i remember 120 on the speedo was actually showing 123 on the pioneer unit.
Also i dont think the Porsche speedo will be right on the mark either. It is said that Porsche has adopted the European standard which allows the speed to be wrong in a range up to 10% plus 4 kph just like BMW.
#42
Originally Posted by phillym5
The only time I did this test in my M5..it did it in 7 seconds flat. 85 degrees outside, and 90 % humidity.
Using a speedo to measure 60-130 acceleration is difficult and imprecise. There is simply no denying that an AX22 is FAR more accurate.
Craig
#43
Originally Posted by Craig
That would put you on a par with an Enzo. I'm sure your D/A Area 51 M5 is plenty fast, but it would take some serious forced induction to overcome the weight differential and get an M5 even with an Enzo 60-130 mph. Your must have a supercharger??? Do you have one of the 1000 hp M5s doing 9 second 1/4miles? What mods do you have?
Using a speedo to measure 60-130 acceleration is difficult and imprecise. There is simply no denying that an AX22 is FAR more accurate.
Craig
Using a speedo to measure 60-130 acceleration is difficult and imprecise. There is simply no denying that an AX22 is FAR more accurate.
Craig
Indeed using a device such as the AX22 will be more accurate, but i doubt seeing a huge difference.
#44
Originally Posted by SCM3
Indeed using a device such as the AX22 will be more accurate, but i doubt seeing a huge difference.
#45
Originally Posted by Jean
From personal experience, it will most likely, *at least* 1-2 second difference, about 200-300ft at those speeds?