Upgraded Turbos- 9 second car
#32
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
can be done for about $65K.
just get a evo 8 like I did and put in $20K and do low 10s all day long...
just get a evo 8 like I did and put in $20K and do low 10s all day long...
#33
Originally Posted by dgussin1
or you can buy an 03-04 cobra (20-30K used), get a 7K hellion single turbo kit, $1000 for slicks and skinnies, 3K for misc items (fuel, maf) and run 9's @ over 140 on the stock motor.
I bought the evo for $4.5K on an auction... stripped it.. fixed. it..... for under $12K... then put the best stuff in it.... and still came ahead ... I didnt have to spend $1200 on the IC, I didnt have to spend $850 on a Sheppard header. I didnt have to get a Autronik stand alone, etc..... and I would still run 10s... but my friend... I DRIVE THIS CAR EVERYDAY and at 24 miles to a gallon u cant beat that... I drive to and from the track- 60 miles.. and I beat up on low 10 second mustangs that never see the street. thats the difference my friend. not to mention... no one expects a stupid rice rocket to do 10.2s...
My friend has a low 10 second trans am.... he gets 6 miles to a gallon....
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#34
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
yes u can do 10s on a stock motor... but not for long. Ive seen it.
I bought the evo for $4.5K on an auction... stripped it.. fixed. it..... for under $12K... then put the best stuff in it.... and still came ahead ... I didnt have to spend $1200 on the IC, I didnt have to spend $850 on a Sheppard header. I didnt have to get a Autronik stand alone, etc..... and I would still run 10s... but my friend... I DRIVE THIS CAR EVERYDAY and at 24 miles to a gallon u cant beat that... I drive to and from the track- 60 miles.. and I beat up on low 10 second mustangs that never see the street. thats the difference my friend. not to mention... no one expects a stupid rice rocket to do 10.2s...
My friend has a low 10 second trans am.... he gets 6 miles to a gallon....
I bought the evo for $4.5K on an auction... stripped it.. fixed. it..... for under $12K... then put the best stuff in it.... and still came ahead ... I didnt have to spend $1200 on the IC, I didnt have to spend $850 on a Sheppard header. I didnt have to get a Autronik stand alone, etc..... and I would still run 10s... but my friend... I DRIVE THIS CAR EVERYDAY and at 24 miles to a gallon u cant beat that... I drive to and from the track- 60 miles.. and I beat up on low 10 second mustangs that never see the street. thats the difference my friend. not to mention... no one expects a stupid rice rocket to do 10.2s...
My friend has a low 10 second trans am.... he gets 6 miles to a gallon....
I know evo's are bad, my buddy has an mid 10 sec one.
back on topic...9's in a porsche is gonna be EXPENSIVE.
#35
Originally Posted by dgussin1
03-04 cobras are far from n/a fat cammed ls1's. I am talking about the stock motor, stock cams, stock piston/rods, a single turbo kit, upgraded fuel system, and 20# of boost. The are tons of people that drive 9 second cobras all day long and pull 15mpg on the street and 25 mpg on the highway. OBTW this is all done on pump gas. And if you're questioning the stock motor...the 03-04's come with a forged crank, forged pistons, and forged rods. The pistons are the weakest link, but many people have them over 800rwhp without any issues.
I know evo's are bad, my buddy has an mid 10 sec one.
back on topic...9's in a porsche is gonna be EXPENSIVE.
I know evo's are bad, my buddy has an mid 10 sec one.
back on topic...9's in a porsche is gonna be EXPENSIVE.
#36
Originally Posted by dgussin1
03-04 cobras are far from n/a fat cammed ls1's. I am talking about the stock motor, stock cams, stock piston/rods, a single turbo kit, upgraded fuel system, and 20# of boost. The are tons of people that drive 9 second cobras all day long and pull 15mpg on the street and 25 mpg on the highway. OBTW this is all done on pump gas. And if you're questioning the stock motor...the 03-04's come with a forged crank, forged pistons, and forged rods. The pistons are the weakest link, but many people have them over 800rwhp without any issues.
I know evo's are bad, my buddy has an mid 10 sec one.
back on topic...9's in a porsche is gonna be EXPENSIVE.
I know evo's are bad, my buddy has an mid 10 sec one.
back on topic...9's in a porsche is gonna be EXPENSIVE.
Yes a 9 second TT is almost impossible... ist not meant for it...
on the highway its a whole different story...
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#37
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
dont dissagree I dont know much about cobras.... I do remmber someone staying that they run 9s on a stock mustang motor and everyone laughed at him... if I recall correctly.... I dont remember....
Yes a 9 second TT is almost impossible... ist not meant for it...
on the highway its a whole different story...
Yes a 9 second TT is almost impossible... ist not meant for it...
on the highway its a whole different story...
#38
Yes, but back when I was running 20lbs of boost in my mustang......600ish HP was pretty much considered the limit for the stock block (302)...more than that and you were keeping your fingers crossed and waiting for the inevitable.....has that changed with the new motors?
Chris
Chris
Originally Posted by dgussin1
the fastest stock motor pass was a 9.1 @ 152 way back in 2004. Since then everyone has been modifying motors to make more power so they can run quicker.
#39
Originally Posted by Turbochris
Yes, but back when I was running 20lbs of boost in my mustang......600ish HP was pretty much considered the limit for the stock block (302)...more than that and you were keeping your fingers crossed and waiting for the inevitable.....has that changed with the new motors?
Chris
Chris
Last edited by dgussin1; 06-28-2006 at 02:44 PM.
#40
Originally Posted by dgussin1
the modular 4v motors are a far different breed from a pushrod 302. 20# of boost from a turbo is good for 750-800rwhp in a 03-04 cobra. Just the 03-04's have seen live over 900rwhp with stock motors...600rwhp is definately a save number to stick around, but there are plenty more people way over that on the stock block putting around.
#41
Originally Posted by iLLM3
WTF that';s absolutely insane, Supra's cant even go that much on a stock block/motor?!? I find it hard to believe quite honestly. Im sure most cars can do it but they blow a minute after achieving the power, these are daily driven, reliable??
Granted people have popped motors with less HP, it's all in the tune and the driver. I popped a motor at 580rwhp in my 03 cobra b/c I went to an idiot tuner who left my car with too much timing and running lean due to a saturated MAF.
here is a list of some of the fastest 03-04 cobras out there. This list does not include many, many low 9 second and a couple of 8 second 03-04's because the only way to get on the list is to post your time in that thread, which not all do. The ones highlighted in blue are ones that I know for a fact are the stock motor, some of the others might be, but I don't know.
9 Second Club
1. Palugi 03TT------------1.44 9.65 @ 143.55 CFTDSEIM/TT
2. Strictlytech-------------1.42 9.79 @ 129.00 CFLUDEAZ
10 Second Club
3. Buster-----------------1.47 10.00 @ 140.01 CFDSEM/T
4. 03flamedcobra-------1.45 10.02 @ 139.59 CFUTDSERNP
5. Bad03Cobra----------1.41 10.06 @ 134.00 CFLUTDSEHRAZ
6. John@Dynospeed----1.39 10.08 @ 136.42 CFLUTDSEHIMGRZ
7. Ratt Fink 1------------1.44 10.10 @ 136.34 CFLUTDSEHGRZ
8. bfoley------------------1.49 10.12 @ 135.58 CFLUTDSEHMVNZ
9. F8LBITE---------------1.53 10.24 @ 134.04 CFLUTDEHZ
10.VENOMOUS03COBRA-1.51 10.30 @ 134.74 CFULDENP
11.Sprayed_ Snake03-----1.59 10.46 @133.70 CFLUTDEMZ
12.SonicVenum----------1.53 10.50 @ 131.96 CFUTDSEGRNP
13.hpbyhermann---------1.48 10.56 @ 129.90 ACFLUTDSEHRZ
14.JRS Blown Snake-----1.47 10.58 @ 130.25 CFLUTDSEMGZ
15.Vector------------------1.64 10.58 @ 133.20 CFLUTDSCHMZ
16.sonic03snake---------1.54 10.60 @ 135.48 CFTDESEHGR
17.Broke7-----------------1.54 10.61 @ 132.00 CFLUTDSEMNP
18.Z-06 Killa--------------1.60 10.66 @ 130.30 CFUDSEGRN
19.seidler-----------------1.64 10.85 @ 124.30 CFTDEMRZ
20.1slosnake--------------1.74 10.89 @ 132.00 CFUDSEHNP
21.blownwhite03---------1.68 10.89 @ 128.60 CFUTDSENP
22.Incon306---------------1.66 10.96 @ 127.68 CFLTDEMZ
23.Trey193----------------1.67 10.99 @ 127.00 CFUTDERP
24.G03stang--------------1.51 10.99 @ 123.76 CFUDSEHMGRA
etc....
11 Second Club
25.Dana-------------------1.57 11.04 @ 128.50 CFLUTDSEHMGNZ
26.Red&BlackSVT---------1.61 11.11 @ 124.84 CFUTDE
27.bross03cobra----------1.71 11.17 @ 130.92 CFTLUTDEHNP
28.Wiz----------------------1.93 11.17 @ 131.85 CFTDEMZ
29.Miamifan1354----------1.85 11.18 @ 129.50 CFULDEMZ
30.JP------------------------1.85 11.18 @ 126.36 CFLUTDEHMZ
31.sambandit--------------1.69 11.18 @ 125.20 CFLUTDSEMHP
32.High Roller--------------1.67 11.19 @ 124.59 CFLUTDEHIP
33.JT------------------------1.71 11.19 @ 124.94 CFUTDEP
34.04snake----------------1.66 11.21 @ 123.56 CFUDHEG
35.BlownBlu97------------xxxx 11.21 @ 126.70
36.gnxs--------------------1.75 11.24 @ 126.15 CFUDEMZ
37.cobrakid----------------1.82 11.27 @ 127.90 CFUDEN
38.Z-eater-----------------1.81 11.30 @ 128.00 CFUDEM
39.702Cobra--------------1.67 11.30 @ 125.00 CFLUTDSEHMP
40.jeffsvt------------------1.71 11.30 @ 122.00 CFUDEGAP
41.dgussin1---------------1.66 11.34 @ 123.00 CFTDEFMVZ
there are tons more people on the list but you get the point.
Modification List
C=Chip
F=Filter
L=Lower Pulley
U=Upper Pulley
T=Throttle Body
D=Drag Radials/Slicks
S=Suspension
E=Catback or X-Pipe
H=Headers
I=Ignition Upgrade
M=MAF
G=Gears
R=Weight Reduction
A=Automatic Transmission
V=Convertible
N=Nitrous
P=Ported Eaton
Z=Aftermarket Blower
you can see at the following link some turbo'd 03-04's and their rwhp. The cars with the 281ci motor are still running stock. http://www.modularfords.com/forums/t...ata-33758.html
#43
the 10 second cars...
on slicks running those times correct.
are they spraying...
and with 1.4 60 fts... the axles/ suspension handles all that load???
and ur saying that for a few thousand dollars this can be done...
what about the programming- stand alone???
fuel system- I dont think a stock set up can handle 900 rwhp.
on slicks running those times correct.
are they spraying...
and with 1.4 60 fts... the axles/ suspension handles all that load???
and ur saying that for a few thousand dollars this can be done...
what about the programming- stand alone???
fuel system- I dont think a stock set up can handle 900 rwhp.
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#44
Originally Posted by iLLM3
Wow, damm they are fast!! Seem's like one of the best bang for the buck hp per $ wise no?
#45
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
the 10 second cars...
on slicks running those times correct.
on slicks running those times correct.
are they spraying...
and with 1.4 60 fts... the axles/ suspension handles all that load???
and ur saying that for a few thousand dollars this can be done...
The fastest time that I've seen from somebody with this setup with n20 is 10.VENOMOUS03COBRA-1.51 10.30 @ 134.74 CFULDENP. There are plenty of other guys that are running 10.80 or better on similar setups; venomous can drive the funk out of his car. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/w...1B371025D8.htm
He is achieving that on a 60 shot, some people are running 150 shots with ported blowers, but can't drive like he can.
The fastest person with the same mods as John, but has a solid axle is 4. 03flamedcobra-------1.45 10.02 @ 139.59 CFUTDSERNP He is also running a bigger shot of N20.
Now if you want to have the power on tap all the time you can go with a twin screw blower (whipple or kenne bell) (+ $3100, but you wont need the ported blower (-$500) or the upper pulley (-$125). I'd keep the n20 for a rainy day. These blowers are good for 19psi on 93 pump gas and ~620-630rwhp 570-590rwtq. on 91 octane 17psi is max and is around 580-590rwhp and 530-550rwtq. With race gas 680+ rwhp is possible without worry. 23 + psi.
OR you can go with a single or twin turbo kit that is in market. I like the hellion single turbo kit. The kit starts at $6370 and when certain options are added it can approach $7500. With the turbo kit you wont need: upper pulley (-$125), lower pulley (-$350), cai (-$150), ported blower (-$500), nitrous kit (-$600). The twin turbo kit's cost more money, but seem to have issues with quality control. Another great thing about the hellion kit is that you can order it today and have it all within 2 weeks. I have yet to see one complaint about the quality of the hellion kit. The turbo setup is good for 670-710rwhp on pump gas (13-15psi) and 800-900+ rwhp on race gas (20+ psi)
what about the programming- stand alone???
fuel system- I dont think a stock set up can handle 900 rwhp.
Now if it were my car and I was shooting for 800+ rwhp I'd definitely consider upgrading the pistons...which can be done for as little as $1000 for pistons and $1000 for balance and assembly of the block. The right way to do it is to have an entire short block built with new block, rods, crank and pistons. ($4000-5000) While doing that I'd switch to a 96-98 cobra teskid block which is aluminum. That block has been proven at over 1850rwhp in several 6 second race mustangs with block girdles. It also shaves 70# off the nose of the car.
Also, lets not forget to upgrade the clutch setup. The stock clutch is very stout. I have been running mine for 23K miles for which a good portion of it was over 600rwhp and it has yet to slip once. I have been sitting on a centerforce dfx clutch and aluminum flywheel for a while waiting for my stocker to take a dump. A clutch setup with the disc, flywheel, pressure plate, tob, and a upgraded 26 spline input shaft is ~$1000. The trans in these cars are very stout (same as a viper)...they rarely have any failures even at some crazy power levels.
I think this post covers most all of it. I am free to answer any questions that you've got. Oh and I never did mention messing with the cams or the heads...they are very good from the factory and if you enjoy maintaining a sleeper sound (IE no cam lope) there is no need to do anything to them. A fully ported set of heads with an aggressive cam will be + 70rwhp.
Last edited by dgussin1; 06-29-2006 at 04:35 AM.