Here's an review of some Euro tuners on the 996 Turbo. BTW, RS Tuning's car was the only one with K16's all others had K24's or Hybrids.

 

Anyone dealing with 9ff should be very careful, and there has been some good info to that effect on this board. We have some great tuners here in the US that stand behind their work. PM me if you have any questons.

 

Crazy car and info in this thread!!

 

We have had an awful (unresolved yet) experience with 9FF Germany during their early days, with one of their high end $100k engine/gearbox 996GT2s for over a year now, but I believe the new dealer and sponsor in the US needs to be given the opportunity to prove that he is better than the mother company and stand behind the work and issues. The products are good, but the responsibility over the work done is pathetic there (in Germany).

I would love to see again the magazine article where the car was running against some other high end tuner cars or any test doen by Sport Auto for that matter.

Johnny O. do you still own the Andial 993TT?

 

We at Eurocar were very aware of an unfortunate customer service failure in the past. We were obviously concerned - but quickly realized exactly what the problems were. Two of the original principals were both satisfied 9ff customers. It was our complete satisfaction with the product that led us to wonder, "why isn’t everybody talking about this company?"

Part of the problem is the "internet complaint" phenomena. All I'll say about this is that on the Internet, RMS seems like such a common problem with M96 Porsche's. However, when you're in the real world - it’s difficult to find somebody who has experienced one (or even knows what it is).

That said, after some careful research we identified several problems/people/personalities and basically agreed to work with 9ff only if we were granted the freedom and power to do what we identified needed to be done.

Today, we work very closely with 9ff to maintain a high customer service and product quality standard. Honestly, the biggest problem we've been having is staying ahead of demand. Its been a lot of work and there will surely be more to come - but ultimately, like it or not - 9ff is here to stay.

They recently moved into a new, larger facility and got rid of a couple "problem" employees. The future is really bright. Its very exciting watching the whole thing grow and expand. Cool. Really cool.

If any board members have any questions or concerns about 9ff or Eurocar Boutique's operations, please don’t hesitate to call/email.


p.s. Jean, thanks for your support and the opportunity!

 

Hi Jean.

My car is 100% stock. I mean, no modification done or in the near future, but my question is : Why is so important/vital that the performance of a X,Y,Z tuner has to be on a magazine for it to be good??
Is just for my own information, because I'm new to the forum and maybe vets like you can shed more light into all this magazine coverage stuff.
Thanks

Divi

 

Divi

Will be going OT here..I think first of all, one should distinguish between two different types of magazines and articles..The ones that do tests as support to their customers (usual sponsors in the magazine) which typically publish the numbers that suits best their and their customers' advertising strategy, you will often see at the end something along the lines of "If you are interested in this car, you can contact x,y and z as it is for sale" blablabla.... These are the same magazines that will use language such as "feels amazingly fast", "almost no lag", "sounds great", "beautiful workshop" etc...

And then there are others that are very scientific and rigourous magazines using very expensive testing equipment, which are interested in how comparable really the performance of different tuners is. One of the most reknown out there is the German Sport Auto magazine, which also organizes the German Tuner GP, and it is common knowledge that any respectable (european at least) tuner gets serious credibility when his cars are tested by them. These tests put the cars at their limit with respect to acceleration (no drag strips there!), handling, braking, drivability, etc..supported with numbers.

I was wondering if any of these 9FF 870HP cars have been tested by an independent reputable magazine and what were the performance numbers like..(other than IMO meaningless top speed numbers). I recall seeing a test somewhere...

 

Thank You Jean !!!!!!!

 

ECB,

Do you do the conversions in your own facilities or is someone flown in from Germany?

Thanks.

 

The only Euro tuners I have heard raving reviews about are Ruf and Manthey Motors. I have yet to hear any negative comments about them.

I have heard great stuff about RS Tuning as well. But I've also heard that they are more focused on their racing customers (like Alzen) and so do not have time or the best customer service for private customers like you and I. I do not know how much of this is true.

Jean maybe you can shed some light on this? I know you have had dealings and are close with RS. Thanks.

 

Good post and being a journalist myself (in the PC industry) for many years, I can see right through the Porsche or European "Performance" magazines that we have in the US. I'm not going to mention any names here because it's off topic and starts fights but I can't begin to tell you the BS that our little company has been approached with (pay-your-way type articles). I have truly lost any respect for the car magazines here that I see that report on us, sponsors etc... A couple of years ago my car was in one magazine where the writer never even drove the car and yet had all these "amazing" things to say....

And let's be honest here... pick up any European/Porsche specific car magazine here in the US. Take a look through maybe 5-6 issues and have you ever, ever, ever even heard or seen any negative press on a particular item/product? Never. In the end it comes down to advertising dollars only.

 

A great example of this is Modern Luxury & Exotics.

 

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=53352

Yeah like this one struck me a bit... owner of the car and the shop "writes" the article?!?! I guess at least it's out in the open

 

Previously, 9ff parts were sold to *anybody*. The client then was responsible for getting the parts installed. It doesnt take a brain surgeon (dee dee dee) to realize under this setup, the weak link can (and was) the individual installing the parts. While many customers are used to ordering parts online and having their local midas guy install them, it doesnt work so well, when the parts are custom, the enhancement concept is different and the instructions are in GERMAN!!

That being said, one of the changes that we instituted as the new 9ff importers was to have very tight control over who installs and how. We provide close support to prevent a situation wherein the guy installing the kit is making changes as he goes - of course intending to make it "better". Of course we all know what happens when this goes on.

On the larger conversions, or with ANYTHING that a particular shop has not done or that we decide - 9ff sends somebody out to oversee and "bless" the install. This way, we eliminated the culprit that could have ultimately resulted in an unsatisfied customer.

We've had several customers that wanted power kits shipped to their house. They either wanted to install it themselves or get their "guy" to do it. I've personally had to lose a couple customers by this policy, but it makes me sleep better at night...

Ultimately, the guy that screws up an install, then points the blame at the product, not his incorrect cam timing setting.

I agree wholeheartedly re: the whole magazine thing. Its shocking how some rags are all advertisements...

The only magazine I even give a crap about what they say is EVO - the thrill of driving. God I love that magazine...their articles, photography and STORIES are automotive journalism excellence (pun!)

That said, there are a bunch of euro magazines (some in German) that have tested 9ff cars in the past. Probably the biggest of them is Auto motor und sport. In Issue 18 2006 they tested a 9ff car and found it to be the fastest to 300kph.

for the german readers...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de

Autobilde is another german car rag (not sure how great it is), but they tested a 9ff cayman vs a 997GT3. Cayman was 1 sec faster around the track (Hockenhiemring)

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=11780

EVO then got to test the same car (w/ a 350HP 3.4)

then there's Option magazine (french). They recently tested the 660HP cab 0-300 in 22.6 sec.

Not sure if you guys have seen the vid...

http://www.eurocarboutique.com/media/9FF660.wmv

While 9ff cars have been in Excellence magazine several times (4-5), you have to remember that the big car mags in the USA almost never test tuner cars - whereas in Germany and europe its all the rage.

Could it be our pathetic speed limits here?

 

ECB,

Thanks for the reply. It cleared up some things for me.

You guys seem to be stand up people. All the best with your progression in this vitaly important market.

Please keep 6speed posted on new products and new project cars that go "through your doors."

Cheers!