That black one on Sunday has no smack to be talking. I was right behind you guys when you walked on him.

 

Very nice Cleve. I 've always wanted to be on the same track with these cup cars. Looks like the first guy waved you by was very frustrated with you.

 

That first guy I passed wanted to buy my car, he couldn't believe how easily I was passing them and how I could hang with them in the corners...then I blew the sale by telling him he should put a GT2 motor in his Cup car...a light went off in his head. I introduce him to Bob Sanderson of Kinetic Motorsports (the guys I pit with) and Bob just happens to have a GT2 motor back at the shop. Plan is to build a Cup car with about 600-650 HP at the crank.

Cleve

 

Nah don't sell your awesome car....
Great idea but would all that accessories from a GT2 engine fits into a narrow body of a cup car ----> GT2 RSR

 

I used to own a slightly modified 996TT and had about 30 track days altogether. Watching that video brought back the boredom that is a 996TT on the track. Quiet, soft, heavy.

Dont know what kind of tires you were running. A moderately well driven 997s is good for 1:34 on DOT sport tires.

With equal tires (michelin slicks) and an equal driver you may be faster than a cup car for 3 or 4 laps but then your brakes and tires would be shot.

The guy wanting a turbo motor for his cup car should invest in pro lessons. If you are passing him he isnt even using all the power he has.

 

First of all, it's a STREET car that is driven daily when the weather allows and I was running Pirelli P-Zero Slicks. Second, this was "play time" at a DE, not a race, and as I mentioned earlier, we are all amateurs. Third, I'd like to see that 997s run 1:34s on DOT tires.

Oh, just wondering, can you tag, pass emissions, and insure a Cup car for the street?

 

Or go over a speed bump, or go get groceries from the store or sit comfortably in 100f weather, while your A/C blows cold as you listen to tracks on your favorite CD?

Cleve, consider it flattery that people compare your street car to purpose built, track only cars in terms of performance. They know that any other street car (modded or not) doesn't stand a chance, so they have to go to the track only stuff I got the same thing from people about my GT2/GT700

 

jealousy is a stinky cologne.

 

You guys are a riot. Jealous - hardly. Just speaking the truth.

Spend some $$$ on more DE or driving lessons rather than turning your TT into a dragster.

 

Get a clue dude first of all his car is a GT2 not a 996tt, so it is lighter. It has a Fabspeed loud so it would not be quiet and it is running motons so I doubt it is soft.

Cleve don't let the haters bring you down, your car rocks!

 

Listen I love Porsches as much as any of you. I would love to own the GT2 in the video.

If you are driving the car on the track that is a good thing. Point being if you enjoy driving a car hard on the track (in DE or racing) then get some lessons, get a track car, and hone your skills. You will have more fun and it will cost less money.

The comment about hanging with Cup Cars around the corners is laughable for anyone who has had the chance to push both cars to the limit.

I am not sure if the GT2 owner races, maybe so. But I would encourage the GT2 owner (and other here) to make a trip to a DE or combo DE/Club Race and try to get a ride or instruction from a top tier amateur racer. Many of you would sell your turbos if you had a hot lap in a Cup Car. Some of you may have cup cars and certainly some of you have very powerful street cars or drag cars.

There is a great event at a track called VIR in Virginia later this tear. I think it is sponsored by Synergy or G&W, etc. If any of you want to make the trip I would personally like to line up instruction or hot laps.

 

Why are you telling Cleve to get driving lessons? You don't know him or his driving skill.

 

Cleve:

I am friends and race w/Ed Obloe (driver of the silver 996 that waved you by). Ed has told me about you and your car. His 996 is not a Carrera Cup but a C stock 996 (3.6 liter engine) w/Carrera Cup wing. Ed peeled a 1:40:7 which is very quick for C stock. I race a 993 RS and have the track record in a race at 1:39:7.

You acknowledge the tires and your amauter driving status. Smart to acknowledge were you are on your learning curve as Gt2's are expensive to rebuild. Driving lessons with a pro coach is a great idea. That is how I've gotten faster since starting.

Steve Johnson is an acquantance of mine and races a 997 GT3 Cup in ALMS and Rolex this year (he's ranked 6th in points). Steve started out racing a GT2 in PCA; moved to a 996 Cup Car and then moved into ALMS/Rolex. He was quicker in his GT2. Check track records at Putnam Park.

A pro driver should get at least a high 1:20's in your GT2 @ Road Atlanta. That gives you a target to shoot for. Seat time and coaching will get you closer than you imagine. Ask Ed as he's picked up 4 seconds this year @ Road Atlanta.

Thanks for sharing the video and keep wheelin it!

 

I have had plently of track time in my Porsches, including the CGT. I have never and don't plan on putting either one of my Porsches on the same track with trailered in, purpose built race cars. I believe that Cleve is a lot like me, in that, he doesn't want to have to make any (very costly) reapirs to his GT2. DEs are the perfect venue for these types of cars as the rules are made to protect your very expensive car(s). A cup car that has gone into the wall is not nearly as big of a deal as a CGT or GT2 that has. That's just my 2 cents worth.


BTW, I think that the Cup Cars are setup much better for the track, but the fact that Cleve's car is being seriously compared (performance wise) is pretty cool.

 

Talk about ego....
Cleve had shown us how a his 700 GT2 can run with Cup cars, drift with the imports, drag race at the strip and still drive it daily. Can a cup car do that?