Upsolute or GIAC Flash???
#46
12-11-2006, 04:32 PM
Agree 100%
Originally Posted by maxxr1
I have upsolute on my 996tt, they have a money back program, no lights no problems. The problem here is we are all P car owners and the chip manufactures know we can afford to pay more for the same crap they sell on vw audi, bmw etc... upsolute just does it cheaper,
i have a friend that bought a giac for his jetta for 400 bucks, but im supposed to pay 2gs, NO THX. I drive a p car because im knowledgable enough to not get raped. not saying giac is a bad choice, but please everyone dont bash others products, that members may have on their cars (kiko) its immature, and i'd assume we are all gents here on this forum.
BTW for whoever asked the question, upsolute has been good to me, i agree for major mods its not the ideal choice. but bang for the buck, go upsolute, and buy the exhaust.... for the cost of a giac alone, then ask anyone on here with dollar for dollar mod to hit the track against you. the proof is in the pudding. cheers.
the subject is so old.
i have a friend that bought a giac for his jetta for 400 bucks, but im supposed to pay 2gs, NO THX. I drive a p car because im knowledgable enough to not get raped. not saying giac is a bad choice, but please everyone dont bash others products, that members may have on their cars (kiko) its immature, and i'd assume we are all gents here on this forum.
BTW for whoever asked the question, upsolute has been good to me, i agree for major mods its not the ideal choice. but bang for the buck, go upsolute, and buy the exhaust.... for the cost of a giac alone, then ask anyone on here with dollar for dollar mod to hit the track against you. the proof is in the pudding. cheers.
the subject is so old.
Im upgrading with k24s and I will pay $ 200 more for the upgrade file.
For us who like porshes and dont have the big money works great!!
#47
12-31-2006, 01:26 AM
!!! i love my giac !!! upsolute threw a mass air sensor light for my 996tt, and they had to solder a chip in, ouch !!
gonna hate to loose that programming for hybrid turbos ;<
gonna hate to loose that programming for hybrid turbos ;<
Last edited by DEANWYSOCKI; 12-31-2006 at 01:28 AM.
#49
12-31-2006, 10:24 AM
I had my car done by absolute
I am very happy with the results, I had my car done about 4 weeks ago and have not seen any lights or any other issues. The car runs like a bat out of hell, I didn't want to blow 2k on a flash, I don't plan on doing any more engine mods (except a exhaust). I beleve you get what you pay for but in this case there is an exception, unless I was planning to upgrade turbos and do i ton of engine mods I might have gone with GIAC , my understanding is they tune more aggressive, I didn't need that, I feel I have a beautiful car very fast (for what I need) and it dosn't matter how much money you dump into your car there is always someone else that has more Hp more torque faster 1/4 times, where does it end.
#50
12-31-2006, 10:50 AM
the dyno run only tells part of the story. does the upsolute accomplish these numbers while keeping air fuel ratios, timing, EGT's, etc.. in check? that is just as important as the horsepower gains for your engine's longevity. porsche tuning is so complex. giac puts so much R&D into their software, it improves performance while keeping near stock engine parameters.
i could be wrong, but for what upsolute is charging, i just can't imagine they have put that much effort into the software.
can anyone with a datalogger and upsolute tuning comment on that?
i could be wrong, but for what upsolute is charging, i just can't imagine they have put that much effort into the software.
can anyone with a datalogger and upsolute tuning comment on that?
#51
12-31-2006, 11:29 AM
Upsolute is a big company in Europe, and can probably amortize it's
R&D costs across the many cars and customers it covers. I have been
running with Upsolute programming and winning races for years with
zero problems.
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...nship/asp.html
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...und06.html#asp
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...15967&fr=yvmtf
All that being said, if/when I go deeper into mods I would likely go with
GIAC or Protomotive or Kevin's tuning programs because of the local
support, fancy features and the custom setup I'd want, but Upsolute
plus a Europipe Stage II exhaust is a *seriously good* upgrade.
Joe
R&D costs across the many cars and customers it covers. I have been
running with Upsolute programming and winning races for years with
zero problems.
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...nship/asp.html
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...und06.html#asp
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...15967&fr=yvmtf
All that being said, if/when I go deeper into mods I would likely go with
GIAC or Protomotive or Kevin's tuning programs because of the local
support, fancy features and the custom setup I'd want, but Upsolute
plus a Europipe Stage II exhaust is a *seriously good* upgrade.
Joe
#53
12-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Joe Weinstein
Upsolute is a big company in Europe, and can probably amortize it's
R&D costs across the many cars and customers it covers. I have been
running with Upsolute programming and winning races for years with
zero problems.
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...nship/asp.html
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...und06.html#asp
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...15967&fr=yvmtf
All that being said, if/when I go deeper into mods I would likely go with
GIAC or Protomotive or Kevin's tuning programs because of the local
support, fancy features and the custom setup I'd want, but Upsolute
plus a Europipe Stage II exhaust is a *seriously good* upgrade.
Joe
R&D costs across the many cars and customers it covers. I have been
running with Upsolute programming and winning races for years with
zero problems.
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...nship/asp.html
http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...und06.html#asp
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...15967&fr=yvmtf
All that being said, if/when I go deeper into mods I would likely go with
GIAC or Protomotive or Kevin's tuning programs because of the local
support, fancy features and the custom setup I'd want, but Upsolute
plus a Europipe Stage II exhaust is a *seriously good* upgrade.
Joe
They're not that big here but even if they were they would just be doing what all "generic" tuning software companies do, get their way into the ECU's raise X% on a number of maps (boost, timing, fuel) and then find a car for a day or two to test it. They usually make posts on specialized forums looking for the cars and offer the re-flash to the testing mule's owner for handing the car over to them to be trashed on a dyno.
Like others said there's SO MUCH more to it...
I'm OK with others using Upsolute on their Turbo's but I'm not OK with statments like "its as good as GIAC and other Porsche (ONLY) tuners" and BS like "they're ripping people off because its a Porsche" because its just NOT true in most cases.
#54
12-31-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Turbo Mike
I am very happy with the results, I had my car done about 4 weeks ago and have not seen any lights or any other issues. The car runs like a bat out of hell, I didn't want to blow 2k on a flash, I don't plan on doing any more engine mods (except a exhaust). I beleve you get what you pay for but in this case there is an exception, unless I was planning to upgrade turbos and do i ton of engine mods I might have gone with GIAC , my understanding is they tune more aggressive, I didn't need that, I feel I have a beautiful car very fast (for what I need) and it dosn't matter how much money you dump into your car there is always someone else that has more Hp more torque faster 1/4 times, where does it end.
Last edited by kiko; 12-31-2006 at 03:19 PM.
#55
12-31-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by kiko
Mike, I think its the other way round...Let's see, Upsolute increases power by 90bhp on a stage 1 (without an exhaust) and, if I'm not mistaken, GIAC does 1.0bar peak and 0,9 stable whereas Upsolute does 1.0bar stable WITHOUT an exhaust, this fact just for itself makes me believe the EGT's must be sky high and the reason is that most aftermarket exhausts (which others need to get 90hp) have a reduced backpressure which is great for a turbo tuned car since it evacuates the extra heat thus lowering the EGT's.
#56
12-31-2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DEANWYSOCKI
!!! i love my giac !!! upsolute threw a mass air sensor light for my 996tt, and they had to solder a chip in, ouch !!
gonna hate to loose that programming for hybrid turbos ;<
gonna hate to loose that programming for hybrid turbos ;<
I am not promoting it either... just stating the facts....
markski
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#57
12-31-2006, 04:52 PM
of course soldering a new eeprom ic chip has nothing to do with performance. But disassembly and resoldering of an ecu is very intrusive esp when your car is under warranty. A nice plug in flash will be my choice !
#58
12-31-2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DEANWYSOCKI
of course soldering a new eeprom ic chip has nothing to do with performance. But disassembly and resoldering of an ecu is very intrusive esp when your car is under warranty. A nice plug in flash will be my choice !
Either way most dealers will never look into the ecu... they can only erase ur existing program when they upload new version software..... without even knowing....
Mechanics get Book hours.. they want to make money.. not investigate whether someone has a chipped ecu....
just my opinion,
markski
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
#59
12-31-2006, 06:12 PM
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What boost are you K24 Upsolute guys seeing?
Either way, you won't get the most out of a K24 car without wastegate mod. It's a physical weakness of the stock springs at over 1 BAR, so programming can never compensate.
Either way, you won't get the most out of a K24 car without wastegate mod. It's a physical weakness of the stock springs at over 1 BAR, so programming can never compensate.
#60
12-31-2006, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
My 871 rwhp TT has a solder chip in it... it has nothing to do with lack of performance...
I am not promoting it either... just stating the facts....
markski
I am not promoting it either... just stating the facts....
markski
