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Old 12-30-2006 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alex911s
Just want to say that sometimes these types of argument or thread hurts Evoms and Promotive or any other vendors.. People gets turned off by these type of threads, especially the ones that are planning on modding their cars or newbie's on the board. I for one felt the same way, but I 've known you guys for awhile and know the competitive nature of our members. So I guess it is a good thing that the thread have been deleted..
If a newbie saw this thread, they would be running somewhere else for mods, that would be business loss for both evoms/promotive and their vendors.
It needs to be noted-- the people in the"business" posted with information and dignity. It was a few posts from some with a style of their own that created contraversy. Personally--- I thought big boys justyfying their toys etc let them sort it out. I said it earlier in thread--- it is about time that some of these things were said. Let's create the aggrevation that gets people to the one arena in the put up or shut up category.
 
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Old 12-30-2006 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cjv
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I'll explain why the thread way shut down. It was about how and why tuners do certain things and the results they hope to attain. Some members, much like yourself go offtopic and instead wish to gab about VR and his vague claims. Much like you chose to do back on Markski's thread on December 26th.
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Sorry Chad I find it hard to deal in rhetoric. Let me ask you some direect questions. In your opinion as moderator:

Did I go off topic in the closed thread?
Have I said anything inappropriate about Alex?
Have I said anything inappropriate about Markski?
What do constant attacks like these have to do with having the shy tuners speak freely?
Are you saying I mount constant attacks against the shy tuners?
Just for clarity, who are the shy tuners?
Do you know how many times we have actually got tuners to participate in a real give and take discussion?
Just for clarity, who is "we"?
Not many, and this thread was one of them. Guys then turn it into something that the tuners don't want anything to do with. Congraduations, it worked.
If I understand you correctly you are asserting that I directly "turned it into something" that the "shy tuners" don't want anything to do with. Is that right? Can you please explain how I managed to do this so I can avoid it in future?

I'm also confused. You offered me your congratulations, but your comments read as if I have personally done something wrong here. Can you please explain?
You also seem to believe I have an ego problem as you so constantly bring it up. Hey, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Yes that is my opinion, I think you offer good information and genuinely want to help others. Then there's the side where you have to be the biggest and best at everything, know more than everyone else, etc. That side I don't agree with. And you know that because I explained that in my neg rep to you a while back.
I just wish you VR haters would have known the appropiate time and place. It wasn't like I didn't give advance warning about what would happen if the thread went off topic. Yeah, I know my ego is kicking in again.
Let me be clear, I do not "hate" Alex (why do I feel like I'm in kindergarten?). Nor do I suscribe to any group of people who "hate" Alex. I onloy ask that he either decide he doesn't want his exploits at the drag srip to be public, or claim his glory and post the proof. I just don't think it's fair to want it both ways.

Rgarding your ego kicking in, I don't think you're using your mod authority impartially here. It's not a bigger stick for you to use to get your own way, it's there to keep the discussion fruitful .. don't you agree? Opinions different to you own aren't a good enough reason to exercise mod powers in my opinion.
While reading your above post I couldn't help but to notice your second paragraph. With the use of the word "members" you are strongly implying that many members gave you anonymous neg reps? At least that it was more than one. You make it sound like they also made bad comments?

Did you have more than one neg rep over your comments on that thread that day? Was there even an unkind comment or did one member simply not like what you said and gave a neg rep without comment? Could it be you were exaggerating or simply not telling the truth about the number of negs so you generate some sympthy? Do you need people to feel sorry for you so you get positive reps? I guess the scam worked judging from the three sympthy positive reps and comments received from three duped members immediately after your post.

Would this be an appropiate situation for "keeping your gob shut?" Probably has more to do with people living in glass houses and throwing rocks.
Again Chad this is an example of you letting yourself down as moderator of this forum. Using your moderator authority to look at the rep on my account is not what being a moderator should be about.

I am not sure many members reading this would feel the same about how the reputation feature is used, the comments they leave or the privacy of those comments.

You've taken private things and made them public and I don't think that reflects well on the big picture.

I think you should stand down as moderator. If you think about it, you've used your authority to advance an argument with me at the expense of what you're supposed to be doing as moderator.

In answer to your questions I can no longer see the negative reps or comments, but yes from memory there were more than one (I can still see one neg but without any comments).

Stop and ponder for a moment Chad. If I cared a lot about reputation rankings would I challenge Alex or yourself? I understand that those comments won't be popular.
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 12:18 AM
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T-Minus 3 minutes............Til Mods either lock or delete this thread........Liftoff is coming..........

Again personal attacks have been thrown. I have nothing against anyone but why internalize so much out of statements or best yet ignore the statements if you are offended. I am not pointing fingers just noticed alot of mud slinging starting and the dirts not even wet yet.....
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Sorry Chad I find it hard to deal in rhetoric. Let me ask you some direect questions. In your opinion as moderator:

Stop and ponder for a moment Chad. If I cared a lot about reputation rankings would I challenge Alex or yourself? I understand that those comments won't be popular.
Mr B-- who cares about any of this- get over it.While I also have criticised CJV for deleting thread it does not require a point by point analysis of everything CJV has said. There were some "heavyweight" contributors on that thread and it is a waste of space for lightweight contributions about ones own ego.
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 02:47 AM
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Sorry Chad I find it hard to deal in rhetoric. Let me ask you some direect questions. In your opinion as moderator:

Did I go off topic in the closed thread?
Have I said anything inappropriate about Alex?
Have I said anything inappropriate about Markski?

MrBlonde, I was offering a comparison to threads. The fact is you like to snipe. Are you playing dumb now?

Are you saying I mount constant attacks against the shy tuners?
Just for clarity, who are the shy tuners?

I am saying when a thread is runing that encourages tuners to participate, ask them questions and listen. Don't drive the tuners away by injecting off topics to the thread.

Just for clarity, who is "we"?

"We" is the 6 speed forum. It would really be great to have people like Todd K, Todd Z, Porsche PhD, etc. get involved with their honest input. But no way will they risk it.

If I understand you correctly you are asserting that I directly "turned it into something" that the "shy tuners" don't want anything to do with. Is that right? Can you please explain how I managed to do this so I can avoid it in future?

Review your post that I responded to. MrBlonde, you ever heard the statement that "loose lips sink ships?"

I'm also confused. You offered me your congratulations, but your comments read as if I have personally done something wrong here. Can you please explain?

I was returning your compliments and sarcasism.

Yes that is my opinion, I think you offer good information and genuinely want to help others. Then there's the side where you have to be the biggest and best at everything, know more than everyone else, etc. That side I don't agree with. And you know that because I explained that in my neg rep to you a while back.

I believe you read only what you want to read. I do strive for perfection, God knows it will never happen. I have freely offered information and supplied parts to others (either at my cost or just loan the parts) to help if the want the help. I have made mistakes and acknowledged the mistakes resulting in changes of plans and parts. No, I believe something else is bothering you.

Let me be clear, I do not "hate" Alex (why do I feel like I'm in kindergarten?). Nor do I suscribe to any group of people who "hate" Alex. I onloy ask that he either decide he doesn't want his exploits at the drag srip to be public, or claim his glory and post the proof. I just don't think it's fair to want it both ways.

Now I believe you are getting to the problem. "You" only ask and "You" offer him a choice exploits or proof? "You" don't think it is fair? Who are you? VR has graciously provided many free video's. Yes, he has made vague remark's, but lies ..........no. You have chosen to make your own interpetation and then snipped him based on your own rules. I don't believe you are being fair.

Rgarding your ego kicking in, I don't think you're using your mod authority impartially here. It's not a bigger stick for you to use to get your own way, it's there to keep the discussion fruitful .. don't you agree? Opinions different to you own aren't a good enough reason to exercise mod powers in my opinion.

Again Chad this is an example of you letting yourself down as moderator of this forum. Using your moderator authority to look at the rep on my account is not what being a moderator should be about.

I am not sure many members reading this would feel the same about how the reputation feature is used, the comments they leave or the privacy of those comments.

You've taken private things and made them public and I don't think that reflects well on the big picture.

I think you should stand down as moderator. If you think about it, you've used your authority to advance an argument with me at the expense of what you're supposed to be doing as moderator.

MrBlonde, it appears to me that what you don't like is someone posting some great kill pics and then being vague about how fast the car really is. It just eats you up. I believe you have taken the vagueness as gospel fact and believe someone is not telling the truth and it pisses you off and you like to needle him.

Is what you did to garner rep points any different? Were people mislead? Did anyone do to you what you did to VR? Yes. I did what I did hoping you would realize how it feels. Not that you deserved it any more than VR deserved what you and others have been dishing out.

As for reps being private. if you have been reading the forums for very long you know better. This is not the first time that a mod has used the rep files.

In answer to your questions I can no longer see the negative reps or comments, but yes from memory there were more than one (I can still see one neg but without any comments).

On the date you made the post you received only one neg rep and this was without comments. The member just didn't like what you said nothing more nothing less. No derrogative comments. You decided to bust this guys ***** and claimed many neg reps. I believe members felt sorry for you because of all your claimed neg reps and you immediately received three positive reps as a counter.

Stop and ponder for a moment Chad. If I cared a lot about reputation rankings would I challenge Alex or yourself? I understand that those comments won't be popular.

Kenny, I have been a mod on 6 speed since it started. I serve at the owner's pleasure and realize I can be replaced at anytime with no hard feelings either way. I am also probably one of if not the most tollerant mods on the forum. Follow the rules and you can badger me all you want. I may not agree with you but follow the rules and you are welcome to stay. I have gone to bat for members that I felt were unjustly banned and in many instances they were reinstated. In some cases I really didn't particularily care for these people. I really try not to let personality's get involved.

I have been on this forum long enough to realize I am liked as well as disliked by many. I enforce the rules the owners make and strive for a sense of fairness.

You seem to be a smart and educated individual. You definitely know alot about drag racing and have shared some really good info with the members. I believe you to be an asset to the forum. My intent in challenging you with the information I used was to let you know how I think other people feel in a like situation.
 

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Old 12-31-2006 | 03:17 AM
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I'm sorry, I have to ask. What is a rep point and it's significance? Do we save them up and trade them in for mods?
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 03:19 AM
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I'm sorry, I have to ask. What is a rep point and it's significance? Do we save them up and trade them in for mods?
That would be nice. How do they work?What is relevence?
 
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OK then. Todd K indicated the advantage of freer flowing heads was realized in the "higher RPM range". What RPM does my car need to get to before freer flowing heads are an asset. I'm making reference to a GT700. Do freer flowing heads make sense on a car with GT28s at all?
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 03:54 AM
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OK then. Todd K indicated the advantage of freer flowing heads was realized in the "higher RPM range". What RPM does my car need to get to before freer flowing heads are an asset. I'm making reference to a GT700. Do freer flowing heads make sense on a car with GT28s at all?
Mike Todd needs to answer this, but after a conversation with him today, for GT28 and GT30's the ticket sounds like slightly modifid 996tt heads in conjunction with real modified 996tt cams. I believe this is the route they are currently going with Divxxtreme's motor.
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
Mike Todd needs to answer this, but after a conversation with him today, for GT28 and GT30's the ticket sounds like slightly modifid 996tt heads in conjunction with real modified 996tt cams. I believe this is the route they are currently going with Divxxtreme's motor.
Thanks Chad.
 
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Old 12-31-2006 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Red 9
That would be nice. How do they work?What is relevence?
The intent of Rep Points is to indicate how much knowledge and benefit a certain member provides to a forum. Unfortunately, they rarely work that way.

What ends up happening is that certain members start "rep threads" where they hand out as many points as possible to each other in order to increase their own points (we've had those threads on this forum in our Off-Topic section).

These people are humorously called "rep ******" (similar to "post ******"...who post as many posts as they can on a forum...mostly junk, in order to have the highest post count).

What happens with rep-****** is that you get a number of individuals with massive numbers of rep-points, who really don't add a lot of actual value or benefit to a forum. Then, rep-points start to look like some meaningful badge of honor...and other members start expecting positive rep-points for posts, and get upset when they either don't receive them, or if they receive negative rep-points.

This is not to say that every member with a high rep count is a member that does not add value. There are, in-fact, some members that have truly earned every rep-point they have. But those are few and far between. Most of the members with high rep-counts got them by being rep-******, and have added to the 'watering down' of what rep-points were originally intended to do.

We eventually got rid of them altogether on another forum I moderate for this exact reason. They ended up not meaning anything at all, and were causing more problems than they were worth.
 

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Old 12-31-2006 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cjv
Mike Todd needs to answer this, but after a conversation with him today, for GT28 and GT30's the ticket sounds like slightly modifid 996tt heads in conjunction with real modified 996tt cams. I believe this is the route they are currently going with Divxxtreme's motor.
No, that's someone else. I'm running GT35's.
 
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