Craig, with all due respect. I will take that as a not so subtle swipe. To you I say this. I post numbers, whether it is a the dragstrip , gps or dyno and make no excuses like I have misfiring plugs. I go out with my package and post the numbers and back them up...please do the same before being critical of me. I have yet to see you question any of you fellow EVO friends who make things quite personal at times with THEIR insatiable desire to promote their package. Just look at the recent thread Chad started and had to delete. I have never been personal with anyone on this board and kept to the facts. Please do the same...with all due respect. Kevin

 

Chad , your requiremnets are just a bit more extreme than mine...2500-7500 is OK for me. Kevin

 

As an innocent bystander (yeah right). I think Craig has a point, although maybe not as diplomatic as he could be. The point being there is certainly no reason to make any derogatory, inflamatory, prejudicial, etc. remarks about anybody elses car or tuning package (or tuner)...this of course is difficult and I know for a fact that Kevin (KPG) never intended/intends to do this. The unfortunate reality is that communication is quite difficult (esp. via the net) and someone's intentions are not always obvious. I love reading about what you insane modders are doing and know you guys are quite competitive. There is no way to trully compare some of your beasts (just too many uncontrolled variables, too small a sample size and poor measurement systems). I'll stop rambling and sit back and learn what I can from all of you leading edge performance mod gurus. I'll do it without worrying about who is fastest!

 

Kevin,

I was most certainly NOT taking a swipe at you or UMW. I have only respect for you and UMW, and your enthusiasm for UMW is great! Had this thread remained a discussion of UMW’s new packages and impressive numbers, I would not have commented as I did, and I would have posted my congratulations much earlier. However, this thread quickly went beyond UMW’s product and numbers, and evolved into swiping of other tuners, EVOMS in particular. Read back through this thread and take note of the numerous unnecessary swipes that have NOTHING to do with UMW’s new product. It is one thing to to be proud of your own car/tuner and its performance. It is an entirely different thing to swipe others. I OFTEN post positive comments about other tuners. Others here are more comfortable posting negative comments about others. I did not read the prior thread that you made reference to but, based upon what I heard after the fact, it went out of control, and I do not condone improper postings from EVOMS’ customers any more than I do from other posters. FWIW, I have been critical of postings from other EVOMS customers, and I apply the same level of scrutiny to them.

Regarding your disparaging comment about my misfiring spark plugs, the facts are the facts. During my 6.68 60-130 run, my engine light was flashing and, when I later checked my codes, it showed that my spark plugs were misfiring MULTIPLE times (that is what a flashing check engine light often reflects) . The impact on performance was noticeable. This is not an excuse, but rather, a confirmed fact. Fowled plugs are inevitable in highly tuned 996TTs. You too will encounter this problem at some point, and the corresponding decrease in performance. My plugs are scheduled to be replaced next week. Consistent with my high regard for several different tuners, beyond EVOMS, I sought input from many, including Protomotive, regarding what plugs to use.

Again, congratulations to you and UMW!!!

Craig

 

Keep the knowledge flowing fella's, its overwhelming but indeed very educating. I appreciate it

 

There is some real truth within that post. Too many times the car is made "too" powerful, for even good drivers to handle well, while the driver is still stuck being "slow". And one should not be proud at the frequency that PSM is being used.

My friend, Topgun, has been suffering from a case of "modism"...actually, he's been afflicted with the disease for many years...but this time it's different. It's much worse. I wanted to come by and see what was up... now I know why... Some great numbers being discussed, but I'm a little confused...perhaps someone can help clear this up for me:

All the motor parts are being upgraded, but no intercoolers???? So a 400fwhp car is bumped to 800fwhp and the intercoolers are left alone? Has anyone logged IATs? I'm sure Porsche designed some headroom into the intercoolers, but no way on a double. I really wonder what the IATs are after a full pull, or two, or seven??...or after 20 mins at a roadcourse???

It seems to me that intercoolers would be a "required" addition to any stage that would double the hp of an engine. And if no intercoolers are addressed, why are there no water/meth injection systems used?

I'm excited to see how Tom's car comes out.

Be good,
TomK

 

EXACTLY!

 

What about drive shafts?

 

Markski is getting special shafts and hubs from Protomotive.
He is going one step further than what was on VRAlex's car (I believe).
It has to do with strengthening where the axles attach to the hubs in
addition to new axles.
I believe and he is preparing for more than a few "Hard Launches"

MK

 

Thanks for the PM Kevin. You are a gentlemen!

Craig

 

Hehe no worries man. See if you'd spent it on gambling, ladies of the night, drugs or something bad I would have been mad but instead you spent it on the car... you can't do this stuff half-assed. Do it once and do it right I think you'll be just fine without the motons for a while

 

Intercoolers are being addressed. UMW has an inhouse solution in the works. Keep in mind this is a relatively low boost setup given its power levels...Kevin

 

Lousy fuel? There are many reasons. If you'd like, give this a read and then you may see the advantages that were used by F1 (then outlawed) and every WRC car for the past several years.
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/info/docum...rinjection.htm

KPG,
Tom has told me about the intercoolers that are in the works, I'm just concerned for him when our track-season starts. I've tried to have him use water/meth injection, but it doesn't seem a popular addition to the P-cars. Intercoolers or W/I...I can't imagine pushing 200% the factory's power levels without adding one or the other.
I'm excited for you guys, can't wait to see the results...but I'm guessing that by the time you're both ready to put them back on the road, they'll be ready for the stage 5A/B/C kit.....(just kidding).

Be good,
TomK

 

Tom , it will need I/C's, but PCA events are 20 minute sessions so they are not too extreme. The ECU is a very sophisticated unit and if senses inlet temps too high it will roll back timing. Tom should be just fine even if the ECU tales some power back. I messed with alcohol injection in my Buick Grand National days and it is a proven solution on those cars, but I would think long and hard before putting it on the TT... Also, I cant speak for Tom, but i am not going to be running 104 all the time...just too expensive. I will run around with a 750 file for the street and be satisfied. Kevin

 

Bravo. Great post Craig. I wholeheartedly agree. Although I share the enthusiasm for UMW's technology and ingenuity, I could care less about bench racing over the internet and comparing my package to anyone else's. I'm happy to see people enjoying their cars and that there are a multitude of well-established companies who are respected Porche tuners/upgrade artists. There are very few marques out there that have such a solid aftermarket as the P-car. We should all be grateful and do everything we can to support healthy competition and discourage erroneous comparisons.