Just finished my UMW k16/k24 Install
#16
03-28-2007, 11:56 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Location: On the East Coast
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I am a bit embarrassed that my garage that was built in 2002 still does not have drywall! So please excuse the mess. The lift just rocks best tool I ever bought.
I like the kit but I am wanting a bit more of something. I really would like to get a ride in a car with different gears.
I like the kit but I am wanting a bit more of something. I really would like to get a ride in a car with different gears.
#19
03-29-2007, 01:02 AM
CPU,
IMO, the LWF revs nicely, but will not trasform the car dramatically, as far as "feeling more power/acelleration". After reading your post, I can not think of anything left other than possibly high flow IC's and maybe a larger TB for some additional mid range and high end power. I happen to like the V-flow, as I can feel the difference. On my car it adds a nice punch to the power band and reduces lag. I see you have the CF sportec. I personally think the V-flow would produce more power and reduce lag a bit more, but you have a sizeable investment there. If you were to do everything I mentioned and the LWF, I think the car would take another step, but I do not think it would be overly substantial.
IMO, the LWF revs nicely, but will not trasform the car dramatically, as far as "feeling more power/acelleration". After reading your post, I can not think of anything left other than possibly high flow IC's and maybe a larger TB for some additional mid range and high end power. I happen to like the V-flow, as I can feel the difference. On my car it adds a nice punch to the power band and reduces lag. I see you have the CF sportec. I personally think the V-flow would produce more power and reduce lag a bit more, but you have a sizeable investment there. If you were to do everything I mentioned and the LWF, I think the car would take another step, but I do not think it would be overly substantial.
#23
03-29-2007, 09:13 AM
Excellent work doing this yourself, too bad you will be doing it again soon by the sounds of your hp disease! It is growing quickly!
Seems like 700 hp seems to be the major number to quench most people, beyond that it gets real expensive and you need BIG turbo's!
This forum is a sick, sick place!
Seems like 700 hp seems to be the major number to quench most people, beyond that it gets real expensive and you need BIG turbo's!
This forum is a sick, sick place!
#24
03-29-2007, 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by cpu77
You think a light weight flywheel would help much? What else can I add they improve spool and ultimate power?
John D:
I happen to like the V-flow, as I can feel the difference. On my car it adds a nice punch to the power band and reduces lag. I see you have the CF sportec. I personally think the V-flow would produce more power and reduce lag a bit more, but you have a sizeable investment there.
#25
03-29-2007, 11:12 AM
wross,
It's more than in my dreams - Todd at Protomotive dynoed 30 additional AWHP with the V-flow and ported OEM headers. He had to write a specific program for it. And I can feel the difference when swapping back and forth, so I respectfully disagree with your assessment and tend to believe Protomotives dyno vs. your opinion. Perhaps the Sportec makes even more power than the V-Flow, but that remains to be seen.
It's more than in my dreams - Todd at Protomotive dynoed 30 additional AWHP with the V-flow and ported OEM headers. He had to write a specific program for it. And I can feel the difference when swapping back and forth, so I respectfully disagree with your assessment and tend to believe Protomotives dyno vs. your opinion. Perhaps the Sportec makes even more power than the V-Flow, but that remains to be seen.
#26
03-29-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally Posted by wross996TT
I understand because you have a V-flow that in your dreams it is making more power, but if you could see the difference in air the Sportec intake allows (twice as much as the V-flow) and with no MAF problems, perhaps you would sing a different tune. I have had both and there is no comparison.
What objective data do you have to support your conclusion that the Sportec intake allows "twice as much" airflow as the V-Flow?
What objective data do you have to support your inference that the Sportec intake produces more power than the V-Flow?
I personally have not seen any objective data regarding the Sportec intake. I understand that, subjectively, your seat of the pants test favors the Sportec intake, but I am curious if you have any objective data to support your conclusion that the Sportec intake is superior to the V-Flow in terms of airflow and power.
Thanks,
Craig
#27
03-29-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by John D II
wross,
It's more than in my dreams - Todd at Protomotive dynoed 30 additional AWHP with the V-flow and ported OEM headers. He had to write a specific program for it. And I can feel the difference when swapping back and forth, so I respectfully disagree with your assessment and tend to believe Protomotives dyno vs. your opinion. Perhaps the Sportec makes even more power than the V-Flow, but that remains to be seen.
It's more than in my dreams - Todd at Protomotive dynoed 30 additional AWHP with the V-flow and ported OEM headers. He had to write a specific program for it. And I can feel the difference when swapping back and forth, so I respectfully disagree with your assessment and tend to believe Protomotives dyno vs. your opinion. Perhaps the Sportec makes even more power than the V-Flow, but that remains to be seen.
Originally Posted by John D II
On my car it adds a nice punch to the power band and reduces lag. I see you have the CF sportec. I personally think the V-flow would produce more power and reduce lag a bit more
Craig,
What objective data do you have to support your conclusion that the V-Flow does not produce any additional power?
What objective data do you have to support your conclusion that the Sportec intake allows "twice as much" airflow as the V-Flow?
What objective data do you have to support your inference that the Sportec intake produces more power than the V-Flow?
I do have a box of objective evidence of blown MAFs!!!!
Last edited by wross996TT; 03-29-2007 at 11:38 AM.
#29
03-29-2007, 12:32 PM
wross,
It was both. The components made significant additional power over the base Protomotive (due to increased air flow), so Todd tweaked the base Protomotive software to adjust AFR's, etc. An additional benefit of these components was reduced lag over the base Protomotive package, as well.
The comment about V-Flow performing better is just my opinion based on intuition, nothing else. I personally can not see how the Sportec intake will flow that much more air than a stock box, unless I do not fully understand the sportec box. Is the outlet of the box the same as stock or larger in diameter?
It was both. The components made significant additional power over the base Protomotive (due to increased air flow), so Todd tweaked the base Protomotive software to adjust AFR's, etc. An additional benefit of these components was reduced lag over the base Protomotive package, as well.
The comment about V-Flow performing better is just my opinion based on intuition, nothing else. I personally can not see how the Sportec intake will flow that much more air than a stock box, unless I do not fully understand the sportec box. Is the outlet of the box the same as stock or larger in diameter?
#30
03-29-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by John D II
I personally can not see how the Sportec intake will flow that much more air than a stock box, unless I do not fully understand the sportec box. Is the outlet of the box the same as stock or larger in diameter?
