Yes i know, CCW is proven and great quality, i had a set for my M3, unfortuantely they were way too aggressive and i got them a bit too wide, couldnt fit without major modifications to the inner body

John i will send you the link when i get home, Dimitri who is a PCA/BMWCCA and who i know through a local BMW dealer he works at is running it and one of the organizers, if its too late through the website, i'll ask him to add you in , im sure he could. I'll let you know later on today when i get home!

 

The die forging process is so far ahead of machining a forged material, there is no comparison. Die forging allows for very precise control of the flow of the grain of the metal, that it can be controlled throughout the forging process. Plus BBS has extensive computer design capabilties to control not only the optimization of the design, but the flow of the metal particles inside the metal structure to a degree of uniformity that cannot be duplicated by any traditional machined process.

 

Joe,

Is your CCWheel TUV approved ???

Marty

 

BBS is an excellent wheel, and their process and metal is the best,
but the difference is incremental, not uncomparable. Further, the
difference isn't that one wheel will fail when the other won't. It is
that both wheels are built to exceed racing requirements, but the
less expensive wheel will have to weigh more becuase it needs more
metal to bear the load. Therefore the buyer should compare weights
and see if the cost diffeential warrents it. I challenge you to
demonstrate any current evidence of machining weakening forged
parts. *If* any machining is done (and you haven't established that
BBS does not machine their forgings) it is always done nowadays
in cooling baths so the part is never heated, even locally. No one
tempers parts after machining. That would weaken/eneal the part.

You get what you pay for, to a degree I agree. I'm just saying that
for the garden-variety competitive racer, they can win with reliability
with 90% of the quality at 40% of the cost.

And what happens when you don't pay for what you get?
(BBS just filed for bankruptcy)

http://www.autospies.com/news/BBS-to...kruptcy-12416/

 

Hi Marty, I don't think so. I would *guess*
that they would pass any actual safety/durability
tests; racers beat on them long and hard enough
over here, but TUV is a European standard, and
unless CCW wanted to break into the European
market, it's unlikely they would apply for those
tests. And some of us Porsche owners have suffered
because of ill-fitting government bureaucratic
standards, such as when out DOT forced Porsche
to put those pointless bumperettes on the early
996 turbos. I'm just saying that TUV is nice, but
not necessarily relevant to U.S. products.
Joe

 

Thanks would be great to come out with you guys.
John

 

CCW's are some of the best racing rims made.

 

At 155 mph, I do not want 90% reliabilty. And hey, everyone knows that the closer you get to the BEST, the cost goes up exponentially. Not just automotive, but wine & food,medical care or clothing. I would not compare a Morton's Steak House dinner with a MacDonald's BigMac, but a meal at either one will keep you from starving. Everyone needs to eat, and not everyone can afford Morton's, that's why there are billions and billions served.
I am sure ND4Sped will get 100% satisifaction from his purchase. So maybe others should disparage his deal by telling him (and everyone) else, that it wasn't! He (or maybe she) bought into the Porsche adventure, not the one from KIA. The banter is fun, but enjoy your weekend where you are.

 

Don't take this personal, but none of your arguments are relative to the debate. He never said "90% reliability", he was simply inferring that BBS's standards and process MAY (no factual evidence to support this) be slightly better than CCW's. Mortons and McD's?? C'mon. Who are kidding with that comparison? This comparison between BBS and CCW may be like comparing Breitling and Rolex. Either way you are getting a hell of a product that is going to serve you well for whatever purpose you intend on using it, be it street use, drag, autocross, etc etc, you get the point.

 

Now you're being silly. It's 90% (exaggerating) of the lightness.
The reliability and safety is going to be 100% the same. It is those
last ounces of weight-savings that start to cost exponentially
more. (Of course we U.S. racers are doing a great job of hiding
all the CCW wheel failures, because we get paid off ). Or
maybe you think we just don't race as fast or corner as hard
as real European racers...

Wasn't what? I want the OP to be happy. BBS wheels are good,
and I have no doubt that his purchase was a great deal for BBS
wheels.

I don't want him to feel bad. I just want other folks to know that
if they are racing, or even just for DE/street, there is a proven
American-made option that can save them significant money, with
the added benefit of personal service, such as making custom-offset
forged wheels to finer specs than anyone else I know (1/16th").
Actually, if anyone *is* racing in the U.S. like me, they probably
already know CCW and aren't particularly vulnerable to 'buying into
the Porsche adventure', they just want to win, and Porsche does a
good job of helping them do that, except their wheels are a little
heavy. So we're *all* replacing Porsche parts with aftermarket ones.
For the emotional 'car buff' that thinks $50 Porsche car wax is better
than others, then we understand that logic bears less weight, and
we do not want to disturb their dream. Did you ever read 'Zen and
the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'? He talks of a guy who toured
around on a BMW motorcycle, dealing continually with the problem
that the handlebars were loose, and would rotate in their mounts
during braking. This guy was not technical, and was emotionally tied
to the 'BMW quality adventure' image, and would rather deal with
that continual dangerous problem than to let any non-BMW solution
besmirch his bike. Finally, out of concern for this guy's safety, the
author made a shim from a strip of aluminum from a Coke can, and
lied to the guy about it's being a new fancy part from BMW so he
was permitted to clamp the strip between the handlebars and their
mounts. The unsafe problem was fixed forever, and the owner's
'BMW adventure' illusion was maintained.
For the majority of Porsche owners that are neither competitive
racers or swooning non-driver Porsche cufflink types, there is
probably significant interest in good-looking wheel options *and*
in cost options. CCW is one such, proven.

 

I realize owe an appolgy to ND4SPED. I reread my original post, and
I see why SPG took his tone. I blurted out an option as if ND4SPED's
purchase and post were bad or misleading, leading SPG to defend.
I should have said this:

"Congrats! BBS wheels are among the best there are. Any time
you can get a deal on the best, it's a good thing.
Not to hijack the thread, but for those of us who need a proven
race-worthy cool aftermarket wheel, but are not averse to saving
even more bucks, here is another option, an American-made wheel
that is raced extensively in the U.S. and is available in many styles
for $2600 a set with custom fitments available.
Joe"

 

Joe,
Thank you for the apology simply was trying to post what I felt was a good honest deal on a great wheel.
Just was tying to pass the information along to fellow 6speeder's that were in the market for a track wheel and tire package.
We are all here always trying to help one another. A lesson learned is not what you say it is how you say it.
SPG is as I'm sure as passionate as you in this sport we all love.
Thank you to SPG for your support on this thread for my purchase.
Joe thanks for realizing you hijack the entire thread I think we all got your point on the CCW's!

 

Why cant someone just post about a great deal they got on some wheels without it turning into a slug fest. Unless someone here works for both companies and oversees their machining processes everything here is speculation. The original poster posted about BBS wheels, which everyone respects, so why cant it be left at that?

 

Thanks for the support!

 

I, for one learned about this very good wheel that is popular for racing
here in the states, CCW. Looks like an excellent wheel at a very good price
point, what's not to like??

MK