Buying a serious track/race car vs upgrading to a TT.
#16
Great thread. My .02: TT not for autocross but great for road courses. If you're afraid of some rubber scuffs and pitted windscreen, stay off of the track. A dedicated track car makes the most sense and I would recommend a used cup car. Don't convert the TT b/c it is too heavy for agility, to be a real club racer you need the whole cage not just a bar and you will strip the costly interior (gut it) when it is a great all around stand alone king of the hill handling speed thrill on wheels that it is. Plus the incredible speed and weight combine for tremendous wear on the pads tires rotors etc. If you haven't seen cup cars in PCA racing you are missing out on a treat.
#17
james,
When Dave Colman, Excellence Feature Editor, took KA to an autocross, he turned heads all over the place. There was some pretty stiff competition present and he took Top Time of The Day by over two seconds. That I might add was against some specially set up 914-6's on race tires. Dave is a top SCCA autocrosser. His comment after driving KA was, with race tires KA would place within the top five cars nationally.
When Dave Colman, Excellence Feature Editor, took KA to an autocross, he turned heads all over the place. There was some pretty stiff competition present and he took Top Time of The Day by over two seconds. That I might add was against some specially set up 914-6's on race tires. Dave is a top SCCA autocrosser. His comment after driving KA was, with race tires KA would place within the top five cars nationally.
#18
Originally posted by cjv
james,
When Dave Colman, Excellence Feature Editor, took KA to an autocross, he turned heads all over the place. There was some pretty stiff competition present and he took Top Time of The Day by over two seconds. That I might add was against some specially set up 914-6's on race tires. Dave is a top SCCA autocrosser. His comment after driving KA was, with race tires KA would place within the top five cars nationally.
james,
When Dave Colman, Excellence Feature Editor, took KA to an autocross, he turned heads all over the place. There was some pretty stiff competition present and he took Top Time of The Day by over two seconds. That I might add was against some specially set up 914-6's on race tires. Dave is a top SCCA autocrosser. His comment after driving KA was, with race tires KA would place within the top five cars nationally.
#20
CJV, I didn't mean to suggest the TT can't autocross. It is the one car that can do just about anything but off road (Pike's Peak anyone?). I just meant to say that the autocross venue kind of jams up the car and doesn't let it run like it should/can/will/could. I did my very first "race" in my TT at an autocross late and not knowing or walking the track. My first run everyone laughed at me b/c I missed a cone and stopped. They yelled out, "hey, doesn't that thing have navigation in it?" Hardy har har. I was so embarrassed being a newbie, but by the third run had the best lap of any of the "Autocrossers." They voted me most improved at the dinner. Anyway, I guess the road courses are where the car just blows everyone's doors off (some courses more than others). BTW, did anyone see the GT 3R cup car in Panorama for 114,000?! it is 2003 in Englewood, CA.
Last edited by james; 03-27-2004 at 07:37 PM.
#21
What I am saying is that a C4 doesn't deserve a second look, but a TT turns heads. Personally I think the C4 is a dog in all performance categories. I would rather have a M3 and cash in my pocket.
#22
Originally posted by dgussin1
What I am saying is that a C4 doesn't deserve a second look. Personally I think the C4 is a dog in all performance categories.
What I am saying is that a C4 doesn't deserve a second look. Personally I think the C4 is a dog in all performance categories.
Last edited by rockitman; 03-27-2004 at 08:50 PM.
#26
Tyson,
Why is that the "real question?" Killer Angel is first a street car. I believe she has a better sound system and the seats are more comfortable. Besides, not any places on the street that I have found to run an enduro. So I guess you are correct, she wouldn't be competitive in an endro. I think she would run out of fuel to soon.
I would hope a GT3 RS could beat Killer Angel in all catagories..... or could it? Nah, already know KA can walk around a GT3 RS while exiting a turn.
Why is that the "real question?" Killer Angel is first a street car. I believe she has a better sound system and the seats are more comfortable. Besides, not any places on the street that I have found to run an enduro. So I guess you are correct, she wouldn't be competitive in an endro. I think she would run out of fuel to soon.
I would hope a GT3 RS could beat Killer Angel in all catagories..... or could it? Nah, already know KA can walk around a GT3 RS while exiting a turn.
Last edited by cjv; 03-28-2004 at 12:35 PM.
#27
Originally posted by rockitman
That's a pretty funny statement coming from a Mustang owner. Maybe not on a straight with your drag pumped up car, but do some REAL driving that invloves twisties and the C4 will say Bye Bye to you...
That's a pretty funny statement coming from a Mustang owner. Maybe not on a straight with your drag pumped up car, but do some REAL driving that invloves twisties and the C4 will say Bye Bye to you...
Front: Modified MacPherson strut system with gas-charged Bilstein monotube dampeners and separate 500 lb/in spring on lower arm, 29mm tubular stabilizer bar
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I looked up the stock skidpads #'s for the 2003 Cobra and found anywhere from .84g to a best of .92g. A friend of mine upgraded to a Coil-over suspension for about $1300 along with changing to pilot sports and pulled 1.03g on a skidpad. Hows that for a "mustang". Through all my searching on the internet I found that the Carerra NON-Turbo had a skidpad ranging from a .85g to a best of .95g.
I am not arguing, I am informing.
Last edited by dgussin1; 03-28-2004 at 06:50 PM.
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