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Old 05-23-2007 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skojasevic
hey listen
all im saying is that , YES it is a respectable car
BUT
in my eyes, and maybe im ignorant(which is probably the case here), but i would still take a porsche

maybe its a psychological thing, but for me , a porsche is the pinnacle of high performance motoring
There is nothing wrong with favoring the Porsche. That doesn't make you ignorant. You like what you like and that is fine just don't disrespect a damn good car like the Z because it is not for you, thats all. You are correct Porsche is up at the top of the mountain for peformance motoring.......its just the pinnacle has gotten a little wider here lately.....which is good for "car guys". Cheers man.
 
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Old 05-23-2007 | 09:26 PM
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Sure is a lot of Z06 envy here. Anyone who has ever driven the car knows that there is no stock flat-6 Porsche that will beat it from 0 - 180 mph. Speculate all you want......it won't happen, including the 997TT and GT2.

Just by browsing through this forum, you can easily see that the Vette is the new car against which most of the Porsche owners here measure perfomance. WOW! A German car trying to keep up with a GM. Tooooo funny, but true.

I really don't see what the problem is by admitting the Vette is the faster car and those who do admit it, trying to find fault with it in other ways, such as quality. You might want to make a list of all the ongoing problems Porsche is having with their cars and see how they compare with the Vette's.

Maybe the TT can't catch the Vette because it keeps popping out of 2nd gear or you have to stop to add oil, or secure a boost hose or replace the MAF, or, etc, etc, etc.
 
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Sure is a lot of Z06 envy here. Anyone who has ever driven the car knows that there is no stock flat-6 Porsche that will beat it from 0 - 180 mph. Speculate all you want......it won't happen, including the 997TT and GT2.

Just by browsing through this forum, you can easily see that the Vette is the new car against which most of the Porsche owners here measure perfomance. WOW! A German car trying to keep up with a GM. Tooooo funny, but true.

I really don't see what the problem is by admitting the Vette is the faster car and those who do admit it, trying to find fault with it in other ways, such as quality. You might want to make a list of all the ongoing problems Porsche is having with their cars and see how they compare with the Vette's.

Maybe the TT can't catch the Vette because it keeps popping out of 2nd gear or you have to stop to add oil, or secure a boost hose or replace the MAF, or, etc, etc, etc.
im not trying to fuel the fire as i dont like to get involved in these threads anymore, but 0-186, the 997TT beats the z06. the 997TT is ahead by a second or two by that point. just to be factual.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
im not trying to fuel the fire as i dont like to get involved in these threads anymore, but 0-186, the 997TT beats the z06. the 997TT is ahead by a second or two by that point. just to be factual.
Who ****ing (Austria) drives 0-186 EVER??? One of the main reasons I didn't bother going for the TT up from my Carrera S is because I will NEVER have the chance to use that power without losing my license in the land of 100 cops per square mile.

Unless you are a competitive drag racer or make a TON of money in real street races, all this stuff is so much paper/dyno/money judo. Realistically any car over 400hp is overkill...
 
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I love the new Z06 GREAT Car! Funny how many pcars get beat by honda civics! It happens. Anyhow I like both cars for different reasons. It's nice to see a reasonably price US car perform so well against far more expensive imports. BTW I agree for straight line it is MOSTLY about tire WHP and weight. Hard to be fast with everything wrapped in leather
 
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
Who ****ing (Austria) drives 0-186 EVER??? One of the main reasons I didn't bother going for the TT up from my Carrera S is because I will NEVER have the chance to use that power without losing my license in the land of 100 cops per square mile.

Unless you are a competitive drag racer or make a TON of money in real street races, all this stuff is so much paper/dyno/money judo. Realistically any car over 400hp is overkill...
i was just saying...he said the word NEVER so i had to state what has been proven to be true...from 0-186 mph the 997TT IS faster than the z06. true, you really cant use all this hp on the street, but it sure is fun!
 
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Old 05-23-2007 | 10:09 PM
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The Z06 OWNZZZ JOOOOOSSS!!!!

Bunch of haters. Porsche sucks and everyone knows it. Z06 rocks my box like Courtney ***...

When you have a lot of seat time in both, please post in this thread. If you don't then please don't post on what you've read or about the test drive you did in your buddies down the street and to the grocery store and he let you get into the throttle on that wicked straightaway.

I've tracked both the Z06 and the 996TT. I've logged a bunch of hours in both. I hate to say it guys but put me on a track and the Z06 will walk from a Porsche. It's just easier to drive. Maybe a real track driver could make the Porsche walk the Vette but I just consistently turn better times in the Vette.

Now all you guys with your "magazine facts" can keep arguing about who is fastest from 0 to 208mph.

Now I'm going to polish my gold chains before I go to bed and pluck my eyebrows...

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Originally Posted by skojasevic
go drive a z06, and then drive a gt2 ..... a 476hp gt2... which will leave the z06 for dead, both straight line, stopping power, and turns
I don't even like the Z06 but just want to point out that above statement is wrong. Stock for stock, Z06 is faster than the GT2. Yes, faster in straight line, stopping power is better and turns quicker. It's better in all the categories you stated above. I'm sorry. Studies shown that the only P car besides CGT that can out run the Z06 is the GT3 RS. You gotta get your facts right man.

Originally Posted by Life Dies
I swear this board is so damn ignorant sometimes. How can so many people be so eager to discredit a fantastic car. Finally, something useful produced from an American Auto Manufacturer and you take a crap on it. Nice.
Originally Posted by Marc997GT3
These threads are getting old , bored and stupid already...the Z06 is a wonderful car, its a 75k super car and has many components found in cars costing double or more, give it its homage and its a stock vehicle...how much does a 700 kit cost...stock to stock it will smoke most cars on the road ...I won't own one but I pay them respect.
+1.

Here's the newest headline.




Rough translation:
"Record was not in
Straight from his GT1 class victory at Le Mans, Jan Magnusson shortly thereafter at the Nuremburg Ring came up with speed. With the Corvette Z06, should the track record fall – great advertising for the new sports Corvette. However, more than a good 7:40 wasn’t in it. The North Loop record for Series Cars is still held by a Donkervoort RS: 7:18:01.”
And just some other factory car's lap times as a reference...

7:28-7:40 - Porsche Carrera GT with multiple attempts, different drivers and track conditions
7:40 - C6 Corvette Z06 <------
7:40 - Mercedes SLR
7:43 - 996 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago
7:44 - Pagani Zonda C12S
7:46 - 996 Porsche 911 GT2
7:50 - BMW M3 CSL
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo
7:56 - C5 Corvette Z06
7:56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
7:56 - 996 Porsche 911 Turbo
 

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Old 05-23-2007 | 10:28 PM
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The track that the Gt2 ran on was approximately 300 feet longer back then. Could of been dead even if both tracks were equal length. Funny though, we are comparing an '06 to an '02 and they are still fairly equal in performance. 60 - 130 for a Z is 9.2. I ran an 8.1 (Driftbox) with just a flash and DVs. Not bad for a 5 year old car. BTW, the Z ran the ring in 7:42.9. But who is counting. That article was in '05, Le Mans runs in July. They haven't raced yet this year. They said a 7:40 wasn't in it. That doesn't mean it ran a 7:40. The Z deserves big props, best bang for the buck on the planet.


7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=98&page=&type=news,
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=91&page=&type=news
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal, slicks)(*mfr.)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600 PS (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series, 507 PS/1760 kg (*mfr.) according to www.caranddriver.com/previews/12956/first-drive-mercedes-clk63-amg-black-series.html
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:45*-- 159.484 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/ 1424 kg, worls driver Walter Roehrl, *mfr.
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (sport auto 99)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1805 kg (sport auto 01/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=111663
7:47* -- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/ 1440 kg, works driver Walter Roehrl, *mfr.
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1424 kg (sport auto 03/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=120285
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=91836
 

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Old 05-23-2007 | 10:35 PM
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This.... thread..... making..... head ....... hurt....... ouch....
 
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I have raced AND BEATEN several C6 Z's. I have beaten 3 on the drag strip. 2 on the road course and 3 or 4 on the street. A guy in our club has one with heads, cams, intake, headers and catback. I waxed him. It may be a great car for the money, blah, blah, blah...It makes me yawn

Luis (in his GT3) and I waxed one (on slicks, with mods) on the roadcourse earlier this year. Look at that body roll
 
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if the z06 came with a porsche badge, i bet these threads would have a much different tone
 
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if the z06 came with a porsche badge, i bet these threads would have a much different tone
Then I would be talking about how I waxed another Porsche
 


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