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Old 08-22-2008 | 02:48 PM
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Im somewhat impartial to the superchargers available. But the VF supercharger asthetics look far more pleasing to the eye than the TPC
 
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I like the VF kit wayyyy better than the TPC.
 
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Hell if I can get the VF kit for the same price as the TPC $8650 shipped. Count me in :-)
 
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Anyone have install pics of the VF system ?
 
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Anyone have install pics of the VF system ?
Here are a few:




 
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Thanks, Andrew. So the MAF stays on the low pressure side ? Does the V2 use engine oil ? I've also heard that teh cooling system utilizes OE parts..does that refer to the cooler assembly up front? Does it use a separate pump to flow coolant for the inetercooler? Thanks for the info..I've been looking at the kit and would be installing it after purchase, so I'm trying to get an idea what I'd be up against.
 
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Andrew, queried the info on the cooling system. Only other question I have is what's the resistor for on the MAF ?
 
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Old 08-24-2008 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush996
Andrew, queried the info on the cooling system. Only other question I have is what's the resistor for on the MAF ?

The amount of current that the MAF can handle is limited. Obviously, as the volume of air passing by the MAF increases, more current is generated which can and will eventually burn out the MAF. Installing a resister inline on the MAF cable, reduces the starting point of the voltage to the MAF, nothing more. Whether you use a MAF that has a modified resister built into it or you use an inline resister, the results are the same. Both approaches are designed to reduce the maximum current passing through the MAF.

Since you have reduced the signal of the MAF, the stock programing will not know how much fuel it should inject into the engine. The program is modified to account for this.

Using a resister is just one of many ways of controlling the MAF signal.
 
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Old 08-24-2008 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by deckman
I don't understand why the guys at TPC don't chime in. Don't they watch this site?
Brian and the guys at TPC are not about selling their products and services online nor are they about "watching the boards". Mike's company is about building race cars and winning races. They have a huge business for service and performance. You have to consider that sometimes companies build a product to accomplish something and prefer to keep a tight leash or control if you will. That may not necessarily be the model or goal of that company. VF is a great example of the other view. Their goal, and they do to very well, is to r & d, build and deliver a product to market. Sell, support ad service that niche product to a single type of buyer. I think TPC's SC is a small part of their whole picture and not a focal point.
 
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Old 08-24-2008 | 06:26 PM
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Thanks for the MAF resistor info. I'm assuming it comes with the SC kits..if not, what resistor is needed ?
 
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so are you saying that TPC's product is merely a bi-product of excellent engineering whereas VF is product made to respond to a market need? or are you saying that TPC is altruists, whereas VF is capitalists?

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Brian and the guys at TPC are not about selling their products and services online nor are they about "watching the boards". Mike's company is about building race cars and winning races. They have a huge business for service and performance. You have to consider that sometimes companies build a product to accomplish something and prefer to keep a tight leash or control if you will. That may not necessarily be the model or goal of that company. VF is a great example of the other view. Their goal, and they do to very well, is to r & d, build and deliver a product to market. Sell, support ad service that niche product to a single type of buyer. I think TPC's SC is a small part of their whole picture and not a focal point.
 
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I think TPC's SC is a small part of their whole picture and not a focal point.

That's one of the main reasons why I didn't buy their kit. Nothing wrong with either choice though. It's all very subjective.
 
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The amount of current that the MAF can handle is limited. Obviously, as the volume of air passing by the MAF increases, more current is generated which can and will eventually burn out the MAF. Installing a resister inline on the MAF cable, reduces the starting point of the voltage to the MAF, nothing more. Whether you use a MAF that has a modified resister built into it or you use an inline resister, the results are the same. Both approaches are designed to reduce the maximum current passing through the MAF.

Since you have reduced the signal of the MAF, the stock programing will not know how much fuel it should inject into the engine. The program is modified to account for this.

Using a resister is just one of many ways of controlling the MAF signal.
Its called a voltage lock. there are downsides to doing it as well. Mafs work 2 ways on most cars. They have voltage based mafs and frequency based mafs. New cars (such as z06 corvette use grams per cylinder --ie volumentric efficency). This is the BEST way to do it. The downside to doing a voltage lock is that when the MAF HITS that signal thats all its reads, its only limits the the MAF range so the signal doesnt go out of the MAF threashold. A RESISTOR not resister, resists,,haha,,,the signal from going past a certain point (the point the mas cant read past) so the unit doesnt go out of range. This method is actually to say the least ,,retarted. IF there are all these companies that offer reflashes, reconfigure the maf table for a TT maf for the NA and your done. there are MANY ways go get around maf signals, but only a few of them that are the RIGHT way. The voltage lock method my friend is from the late 80s. BUT it works and is cheap
 

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Old 08-25-2008 | 01:14 PM
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Thanks for the MAF resistor info. I'm assuming it comes with the SC kits..if not, what resistor is needed ?
Rush,
The resistor is in the box with our kit.

Here is a build Thread.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-sc-build.html
 
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Its called a voltage lock. there are downsides to doing it as well. Mafs work 2 ways on most cars. They have voltage based mafs and frequency based mafs. New cars (such as z06 corvette use grams per cylinder --ie volumentric efficency). This is the BEST way to do it. The downside to doing a voltage lock is that when the MAF HITS that signal thats all its reads, its only limits the the MAF range so the signal doesnt go out of the MAF threashold. A RESISTOR not resister, resists,,haha,,,the signal from going past a certain point (the point the mas cant read past) so the unit doesnt go out of range. This method is actually to say the least ,,retarted. IF there are all these companies that offer reflashes, reconfigure the maf table for a TT maf for the NA and your done. there are MANY ways go get around maf signals, but only a few of them that are the RIGHT way. The voltage lock method my friend is from the late 80s.

I wasn’t aware that proper editing was required.

You should therefore correct these highlighted errors in your statement and stop being a dick: The grammatical errors were too many to highlight.

Its called a voltage lock. there are downsides to doing it as well. Mafs work 2 ways on most cars. They have voltage based mafs and frequency based mafs. New cars (such as z06 corvette use grams per cylinder --ie volumentric efficency). This is the BEST way to do it. The downside to doing a voltage lock is that when the MAF HITS that signal thats all its reads, its only limits the the MAF range so the signal doesnt go out of the MAF threashold. A RESISTOR not resister, resists,,haha,,,the signal from going past a certain point (the point the mas cant read past) so the unit doesnt go out of range. This method is actually to say the least ,,retarted. IF there are all these companies that offer reflashes, reconfigure the maf table for a TT maf for the NA and your done. there are MANY ways go get around maf signals, but only a few of them that are the RIGHT way. The voltage lock method my friend is from the late 80s.

The MAF is nothing BUT a set of resistors and I am not speaking of a voltage lock. I wonder if the people who make them are also "retarted" as you put it?
 


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