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Old 08-09-2012 | 04:53 AM
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Fishtailing 911

1 month into ownership of a 996 mk2 cab.
I was on the corner turning left on the main road, pushed down the accelerator a bit aggressive , the tail oversteer and tried to control but overcompensated. I ended up on the island in the middle of the road. Luckily, just minor scrathes in the underside of the car. I used to own a boxster and never had this experience. Has anyone experienced this?
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 07:17 AM
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Did you have PSM on, if so most likely should not have happened. BUT. Rear engine car my friend, do not aggressively brake or accelerate mid corner with the wheels turned, all that weight on the back wants to come around and say hello. Very typical 911 trait, I am surprised you are surprised, unless i am misunderstanding what happened.
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 09:29 AM
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How are your tires? Was the ground wet?

I can hardly break my tires loose accelerating under full power on dry pavement. My car is AWD, which contributes to it also.

Trailing throttle oversteer (aka snap oversteer or lift-off oversteer) is a common trait for rear-engine cars like the 911. However, this is very different than fishtailing while accelerating from a stop while turning.
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 10:55 AM
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And to add to the above, prob didnt happen to you in the boxster because its mid engine, not rear engine?
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 11:17 AM
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What were the conditions like? I'm not saying I've tried, but my Mk1 996 has never broken it's contract with the pavement before on normal road conditions, in the 6 months that I've had it. That said, the rear tires were brand new when I got it.
Could be you caught a little sand/gravel off the turn, which would change everything.
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 11:32 AM
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Trailing throttle oversteer (aka snap oversteer or lift-off oversteer) is a common trait for rear-engine cars like the 911. However, this is very different than fishtailing while accelerating from a stop while turning.
I agree with this.

Is your suspension stock and where are your tire pressures set to?

Boxster's are technically mid-engine and a lot more forgiving.

Anyone that can drive a 911 at full 10/10's has my utmost respect as it is a very challenging car to drive at the limit.

With the 911 once you commit to a corner, you have to go through with it all the way past the apex with your foot planted or else you'll end up like this guy:


Don't be a ******bag like the guy above. Gives us Porsche owners a bad rep.
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 12:48 PM
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Wouldn't be a bad idea to do some DE's to really understand how rear engine cars handle. Cold vs warmed up tires make an impact as well.
 
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Old 08-09-2012 | 01:24 PM
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Wouldn't be a bad idea to do some DE's to really understand how rear engine cars handle. Cold vs warmed up tires make an impact as well.
DE in a 911 should be EVERYONE's first mod for first time owners. I'm guilty of it too though not having the availability with 2 babies, but plan to the next chance I get.

Because of that, I hestitate to drive my car anything above 8/10's. This is the first car that has scared me.
 
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Thanks for the reply guys.
It was a cold winter night but the pavement is dry. Cold tyres as well
As I said I am new to a rear engine car. I knew about the tail happy character of the car but experiencing it first hand gave me a new found respect for the car. I will book myself a DE because as of the moment I am so paranoid hitting the accelerator
 
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Originally Posted by ermed911
Thanks for the reply guys.
It was a cold winter night but the pavement is dry. Cold tyres as well
As I said I am new to a rear engine car. I knew about the tail happy character of the car but experiencing it first hand gave me a new found respect for the car. I will book myself a DE because as of the moment I am so paranoid hitting the accelerator
Forgot it's winter down under now. Hi-performance summer tires should not be driven on in under 40 degree F conditions. Go to Tirerack.com to read up on more info.
 
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Definitely was at least partly if not mostly due to the summer tires in cold temps. What was the exact temp?

As others have said, you can't compare between a 911 and Boxster. The 911 is notorious for doing this. That's why you never ever lift in a corner in a 911.

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Did you have PSM on, if so most likely should not have happened.
Who says he has PSM?
 
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pretty normal. never accelerate or brake hard in mid turn, regardless of engine setup.

psm is essential on 911s.

when you drive 10/10, you'll crash eventually. it's a matter of when.
 
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Old 08-10-2012 | 04:47 PM
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Temp that night was about 2-3 C . PSM is on.
Lesson learned.
Thank you all for your inputs.
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[quote for doing this. That's why you never ever lift in a corner in a 911.


Who says he has PSM? [/quote]


^^^he did
 
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LMAO...

Sounds like someone needs practice.
 


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