Congrats on ripping off someone else's hard work. Nice first post.

 

Dog, I don't even know why you're focusing on the design copy. Instead, I was reading his thread thinking that the clay mold would then be used as a structure from which to cast the part in aluminum. Nope. The clay mold actually went right into the throttle body. I almost lost my lunch when I read that part. Let me see if I get this straight: a brittle piece of clay mold (admittedly temp protected up to 275 deg) is jimmied into a 12 thousand dollar Porsche engine to try and match the performance of the RSS product. I can only imagine when the car hits a bump and a little piece shatters off and gets inhaled into the engine. I'm dying to see the guys at Porsche try and determine how 'that' got in 'there'. No worries, I'm sure it's covered by warranty. I guess the next mod will be a Bond-O aerokit II bumper, side body panels, and rear wing project. Can probably get that done for around $25, right?

 

nah it was less - 795.00

 

Hey if you want to go make your own...go for it. I am happy with the RSS product. Yea I wish it was a couple hundred dollars but it isn't....

 

BONDO FTMFW!!! but seriously....


DRIDE007 I am all about the DIY, but when it comes to a proven part, why not just support the company that took the initiative to R&D and then produce the product? Support the after market, they support us. not only that but there is a very good reason you have an air filter and MAF screen; to keep things OUT of the motor, I don't mean to sound rude but I think you have yourself a recipe for disaster. I would take it out asap to prevent any possible damage to the motor. Besides have you dynoed it? Do you know it has any proven power gains?? Just seems a little illogical to me I guess.

 

All great points.

 

LMAO

 

I can understand how some people think the idea of what I did could lead to a foolish disaster, especially if I had already paid a grand for mine. It well could one day lead to some trouble, but I doubt it and it won’t be catastrophic. I used to work at a little known Porsche tuner called AutoThority a few years back. I learned a few things there, so when it comes to these German beauties I am not going to do something that will jeopardize my variocam F1 engine. Secondly, I can see from those who responded about the engine getting ruined have no idea how the intake on a flat six works (which is to say, have never got grease under their fingernails and a little blood to go with it.) If what I have done were to ever break free (I have done some more mods since last post) it’s not going to make it into the chamber except in tiny pieces which will be compressed, blown up, then shot out as soot. And also remember, if pieces were to break off and actually make it down to the valve – the valve in operation will vibrate the chunk sitting on top of it into brittle pieces (remember how fast the valve is moving just at idle and the incoming air blowing the piece all around) that the engine will consume it just fine. I also now know why there are four holes drilled through the RSS. So to recap, I have secured mine in a way that the chances of it moving are slim to none and slim just died. I can tell you again that it works great especially from 5.5k RPM and skyward the engine runs like gangbusters, especially in the three acceleration gears.

Oh don’t go telling me you didn’t know the car has three long and three short gears now…I would hate to use the word “amateur.�

 

Why even bother using an air filter then? It just slows down the flow of air, and clearly anything that makes it into the throttle body won't cause any problems at all. Nope, no problems at all.

 

hahahahahahaha ....



HAHAHAHAH...


okay I'm done laughing now.




nope wait here it comes again... HAHAHAHAHA

 

Anything that makes it "into" the throttle body? You just keep furthering the fact that you haven't a clue how an engine works. I have so much to add to these forums that people will appreciate - but the fact you would read them makes me rethink that. I joined to do just that because I have built numerous Carrera racecars – I participate as a team member at certain races with the flying lizard team. Then I get stupid comments from mechanically disinclined members?

What you meant to say is if anything makes it past the butterfly valve in the throttle body there could be the danger of an unwanted object entering the engine. Since I know you haven't strolled through a paddock of race cars - and be a member of a Porsche race team, you would see that the only filter between the venturi velocity stacks and throttle bodies is actually a mesh screen - which does two things - straightens the air and keeps odd **** you don't want in, out. However that is on a racecar, and they have software to flash the PROMs in the computer to run the correct A/F ratio (remove the filter on street cars and you will run leeeeeean.) And if the engine goes on a race car, they have deep pockets to fix it.

And I remember someone posted that the mesh screen aft of the MAF sensor is a redundant air filter. NO, WRONG. This is to "straighten" the air coming out of a boxed type air filter housing.

Argh.

 

Dride007, without any wisecracking commentary or personal attack, it seems you would have to conceed two points. 1. You would have to admit that the hardened clay you fabricated would not be made with the same precision as the machined unit. 2. The clay will probably become brittle and if a piece breaks & does get through the throttlebody, could be sucked into the motor & possibly score a piston or cylinder wall. Are you suggesting that this scenario couldnt happen? Or that if it gets past the throttlebody it would simply rattle around on an intake valve? If so & the piece is as hard as you suggest, what about damage to the valve? I have not been convinced & dont believe you have explained away these issues.

 

Totally unrelated, so for the "fabspeed" kit, you shouldn't remove the mesh after the MAF and just leave it in?

 

That is exactly what I said! It's not my fault that your ignorance of prepositions (and ostensibly engines) has marred your understanding of what I wrote. Let's think of the butterfly valve as a doorway for air "into" the throttle body. In order for air to "make it past the butterfly valve in the throttle body" (your words), you'd need to open the door. Thus, air is making it "into" the throttle body insomuch as you might walk "into" a house through a door and then directed into the engine. I fail to see how my comment is incorrect or misleading. I'm not sure about your grammar school education, but "into" and "in" are pretty similar. I sure as hell didn't say "out of". Moreover, since I've actually taken apart and cleaned the entire intake system, I'm pretty familiar with the understanding of the engine. Moreover, I've modified and adjusted motorcycles for racing and touring enough times to know what I want to say.

But I can see how you're getting upset because the forum is not cowtowing to your cheesy and cheap and copied 7th grade art class modification for your car. Anyway, do whatever the hell you want. Build a 911 claymation racer for all I care.

UPDATE: Just thought I'd take a quick gander about the world wide web and found this fantastic quote: "The diagram shows the two oval orifices through which the air passes into the TB. The casting which seperates them is know to cause power losses on other vehicles: The incomming air is bufferted against the concave moulding resulting in a disruption to the airflow. To regain the smooth airflow an air-foil can be fixed to the center of the TB. In high RPM applications on a normally aspirated LT-1 the TB air-foil can give a power increase of about 11HP but its power gain (If any) in this forced induction engine is unproven." Here's the link (http://www.syty.org/old/engine.html). Now I can understand if you wanted me to specifically refer to the intake manifold, but give me a break mate....you're really splitting hairs here to defend your play-dough plenum theory.

 

last group buy was $765: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...+plenum&page=9

dride007, someone already done what you did, but instead of clay, it was done with aluminum and tons of R&D and testing behind it... unfortunately, it didnt take off.

Guys... the piece he put, is located in the old original plennum, after the throttle body.