Question: RUF 600hp kit for 997 Turbo
#47
11-10-2007, 01:19 PM
The re-sale factor reveals an inherent desire of 'wannabees' to act as though they are driving Rufs from Germany rather than mere after- the- fact mods.
The "champagne taste", "beer" pocketbook is alive and well with the pretenders to the throne. Does Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Aston Martin offer such add-ons? The kits merely de-value the genuine total vehicle. What vehicle sales has Alois lost to the aformentioned vehicle manufacturers, who do not compromise their creations. Many think this was a bad marketing decision by him. Now that he has contractually tied himself to the middle east business interests perhaps he can sell additional vehicles, rather than component parts,to those with real money.
The "champagne taste", "beer" pocketbook is alive and well with the pretenders to the throne. Does Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Aston Martin offer such add-ons? The kits merely de-value the genuine total vehicle. What vehicle sales has Alois lost to the aformentioned vehicle manufacturers, who do not compromise their creations. Many think this was a bad marketing decision by him. Now that he has contractually tied himself to the middle east business interests perhaps he can sell additional vehicles, rather than component parts,to those with real money.
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11-10-2007, 03:12 PM
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Let's correct the direction of this thread quickly.....
Jean - How do you know that the RT12 does not have higher numbers on Ruf's engine dyno? I cannot confirm the information about the Yellowbird, but that would make sense.
Jean - How do you know that the RT12 does not have higher numbers on Ruf's engine dyno? I cannot confirm the information about the Yellowbird, but that would make sense.
#49
11-10-2007, 03:19 PM
Car is a 650hp Rt12. Owner ran his RT12, his Rturbo, and CGT over the last few events:
CGT 180.7 mph
Rturbo 181.9 mph
RT12 183.3 mph
compare that with other Tx Mile times:
Proto stage2 997tt 178 mph
EVO 690R 997tt 187 mph
Proto 700kit 996tt 190 mph
Keep in mind the Rt12 is a narrow bodied 997 vs the wide bodied 997tt's
#50
11-10-2007, 08:46 PM
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Rep Power: 91 Car is a 650hp Rt12. Owner ran his RT12, his Rturbo, and CGT over the last few events:
CGT 180.7 mph
Rturbo 181.9 mph
RT12 183.3 mph
compare that with other Tx Mile times:
Proto stage2 997tt 178 mph
EVO 690R 997tt 187 mph
Proto 700kit 996tt 190 mph
Keep in mind the Rt12 is a narrow bodied 997 vs the wide bodied 997tt's
CGT 180.7 mph
Rturbo 181.9 mph
RT12 183.3 mph
compare that with other Tx Mile times:
Proto stage2 997tt 178 mph
EVO 690R 997tt 187 mph
Proto 700kit 996tt 190 mph
Keep in mind the Rt12 is a narrow bodied 997 vs the wide bodied 997tt's
#51
11-11-2007, 12:16 PM
http://www.rufautocentre.com/conversions/997_Turbo.asp
But this is not my source, I know from someone there.
Eclou, great post, cheers.
#52
11-11-2007, 02:18 PM
No need to look too far, here are some dyno runs from their dyno in Germany.
http://www.rufautocentre.com/conversions/997_Turbo.asp
But this is not my source, I know from someone there.
Eclou, great post, cheers.
http://www.rufautocentre.com/conversions/997_Turbo.asp
But this is not my source, I know from someone there.
Eclou, great post, cheers.
I think Ruf "declare" 650 for the Rt12 in order to be inline with their producer TUV cert...
otherwise as per erik earlier,most Rt12s go over 700 and that's on Ruf's engine dyno,more,look at the Ctr3,700 hp? basically Rt12 engine,torque btw is exactly the same 890 Nm
so they do produce more power than they qoute but really what is important is that driveability availabilty of power and how civilised and controllable the Rt12 is.
#53
11-11-2007, 02:58 PM
6088tts this is how i see it. You simply want the baddest kit out there and price don't seem like a big issue either. You often change cars and don't keep them for very long so I wouldn't even bother thinking about the reliablity because all these tuners are very reputable. The real question to you is how much money will you loose with these mods once u sell the car. However, there is an alternative. Mods can be taken part (costly labor though) and be resold on the used market.
Good luck
Good luck
#54
11-11-2007, 10:20 PM
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Rep Power: 91 6088tts this is how i see it. You simply want the baddest kit out there and price don't seem like a big issue either. You often change cars and don't keep them for very long so I wouldn't even bother thinking about the reliablity because all these tuners are very reputable. The real question to you is how much money will you loose with these mods once u sell the car. However, there is an alternative. Mods can be taken part (costly labor though) and be resold on the used market.
Good luck
Good luck
#55
11-12-2007, 03:41 PM
i believe Ruf depending on it name more than what they producing .. and the high coast comes after the big name and the big buddget of commercial they spending in bahrain and united arab of emarits 
if they didnt rise there prices they'll lose , i've a evo 610 package on my 997 TT with one small comment if it get solved i believe there's no company can be a camparatieve to evo ms and my comment is M having my check engine light on and frnds with tunned pcm from other companies dont have the check engine light on !!
other wise my package is better stronger than any comparatieve company on road and on long term service !!
with no engine problems
best regard : yousef
if they didnt rise there prices they'll lose , i've a evo 610 package on my 997 TT with one small comment if it get solved i believe there's no company can be a camparatieve to evo ms and my comment is M having my check engine light on and frnds with tunned pcm from other companies dont have the check engine light on !!other wise my package is better stronger than any comparatieve company on road and on long term service !!
with no engine problems
best regard : yousef
#56
11-12-2007, 04:52 PM
You are correct that there are aftermarket manufacturers who produce components second to none. What some of the readers do not inderstand is that with the devaluation of the U.S. Dollar, the German built Ruf vehicle will be even more costly and presumably rarer [and of greater value]; the Ruf parts will be more costly but not greatly add to the re-sale value of the vehicle. If a buyer could afford a Ruf, he or she would purchase it rather than a Porsche will some Ruf parts.
#57
11-12-2007, 05:45 PM
This is helpful how?
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11-12-2007, 07:39 PM
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#60
11-12-2007, 08:14 PM
The jocular comments are too juvenile to respond to; instead a brief commentary of the Ruf design/fabrication process will be addressed.
A customer interfaces with Ruf personnel to discuss desired performances:
1. Alois orders a DISASSEMBLED Porsche from the factory.
2. He adds or deletes components as he deems best for overall performance.
3. His staff assembles comonents, welds the body panels, and installs Ruf parts as necessary. If performed correctly, the synergy works for the vehicle.
4. The vehicle is road tested to verify desired performance parameters.
5. The customer receives the Ruf fabricated vehicle.
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts with this: design, fabrication, assemble process.
Obviousle purchasing some parts to enhance one's vehicle does not approach the aforementioned Ruf total build process.
A customer interfaces with Ruf personnel to discuss desired performances:
1. Alois orders a DISASSEMBLED Porsche from the factory.
2. He adds or deletes components as he deems best for overall performance.
3. His staff assembles comonents, welds the body panels, and installs Ruf parts as necessary. If performed correctly, the synergy works for the vehicle.
4. The vehicle is road tested to verify desired performance parameters.
5. The customer receives the Ruf fabricated vehicle.
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts with this: design, fabrication, assemble process.
Obviousle purchasing some parts to enhance one's vehicle does not approach the aforementioned Ruf total build process.