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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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Old 12-13-2007 | 11:31 AM
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Nissan have mentioned they are making it much harder this time around....which does not mean much more than added time for the tuners as the black box will be cracked sooner or later.

But it wont be 'that' cheap to get HP. The turbos are small and part of the manifold, so it will cost a bit more cash to get silly HP like the Skyline of yesterday.

Never thought I would say this but the 997TT looks easier and perhaps cheaper to mod than the GTR, but time will tell. I bet all the usual suspects are foaming at the mouth with the market for GTR mods.
 
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I have yet seen a good track car weighing 3800 lbs regardless of what Nissan claimed. You fan boys are always talking about best value for money with this car. How about about modded Evo or STI with 500 awhp for $25K?
 

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Old 12-13-2007 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by zman
Come On its a NISSAN. They are playing in a field that they don't belong!!!!!!! No matter what you do no matter how fast the badge says it all NISSAN


I love my Porsche - but I could see this in my garage as perhaps the S4 replacement. I really didn't buy this car for the badge.
 
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Old 12-13-2007 | 12:37 PM
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Those who have seen the GT-R in person think it is a beautiful car. Pictures do not convey its visual appeal. Also, the 911 has never been considered a good looking car. It is a master piece of evolution but beyond that it does not get attention.

More importantly, the performance of the GT-R is far beyond the 997TT. As the article indicated, it makes the 997TT look dated and old which it is.

The good news is Porsche will have to change it corporate philosophy of incremental change in styling, engineering and performance to keep up with the competition.

Putting the 997TT aside for the moment, ask yourself this; given the price of the GT-R why would anyone buy a 911? Most buy the 911 because of the performance/price ratio. The GT-R obliterates the 911 advantage in this crucial category.
Since when has Porsche ever been about the performance/price ratio?
 
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Originally Posted by str8edgersx
since this is a supercar class, shouldn't the GT-R be compared to the CGT or similar cars? I mean its like someone suping up a honda to say its faster than a porsche or in this case Nissan is doing. But time will tell with this new car and Porsche keeps their spot on top
 
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Old 12-13-2007 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nberry
Those who have seen the GT-R in person think it is a beautiful car. Pictures do not convey its visual appeal. Also, the 911 has never been considered a good looking car. It is a master piece of evolution but beyond that it does not get attention.

More importantly, the performance of the GT-R is far beyond the 997TT. As the article indicated, it makes the 997TT look dated and old which it is.

The good news is Porsche will have to change it corporate philosophy of incremental change in styling, engineering and performance to keep up with the competition.

Putting the 997TT aside for the moment, ask yourself this; given the price of the GT-R why would anyone buy a 911? Most buy the 911 because of the performance/price ratio. The GT-R obliterates the 911 advantage in this crucial category.
If the two cars were exactly alike people will go for Porsche for the badge , Saw th e GT-R in person and its a really nice car. This is exactly what happen when the Z06 came out, people didn't really acknowledge it much cause it was a Chevy...everyone should be grateful cause competition is good for the consumers
 

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Originally Posted by nberry
Those who have seen the GT-R in person think it is a beautiful car. Pictures do not convey its visual appeal. Also, the 911 has never been considered a good looking car. It is a master piece of evolution but beyond that it does not get attention.
Uhh...No. I have seen the GT-R. I don't think it beautiful. The interior is typical Japanese gadget oriented styling.

Originally Posted by nberry
More importantly, the performance of the GT-R is far beyond the 997TT. As the article indicated, it makes the 997TT look dated and old which it is.
It's all opinion. To each their own.

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Putting the 997TT aside for the moment, ask yourself this; given the price of the GT-R why would anyone buy a 911? Most buy the 911 because of the performance/price ratio. The GT-R obliterates the 911 advantage in this crucial category.
Do you really think the GT-R is going to sell for sticker?
 
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Nice car and bang for the buck.
Nissan did a great job on this car, and I'm sure this will set the bar not for Porsche but for Toyota's new Supra and any other Jap sports car.

I still love the Porsche more.
 
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Why do some of you 911 owners feel threatened by the GTR?

It might have similar performance but they are not competing in the same price bracket. The GTR's release doesnt make your 997TT any worse.

Plus the GTR is in a weird place. Its not cheap enough for anyone to consider it over an Evo if they only want best bang for the buck, and its too expensive(ive heard about a crazy markup) for a Nissan. Im guessing most people would rather take a standard 911, 911S, or a used 996TT over a GTR just because of the badge.
 

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Here's what some people fail to realize, someone in the market for a 997/GT3/etc isn't going to consider a GT-R. The price difference isn't a factor and not something that will shift them towards the GT-R. Most buyers will probably be hardcore enthusiasts and not Porsche customers.
 
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Since when has Porsche ever been about the performance/price ratio?
Since nberry bought a ferrari .
 
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Old 12-13-2007 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueBlur
Why do some of you 911 owners feel threatened by the GTR?

It might have similar performance but they are not competing in the same price bracket. The GTR's release doesnt make your 997TT any worse.

Plus the GTR is in a weird place. Its not cheap enough for anyone to consider it over an Evo if they only want best bang for the buck, and its too expensive(ive heard about a crazy markup) for a Nissan. Im guessing most people would rather take a standard 911, 911S, or a used 996TT over a GTR just because of the badge.
I hate the silly assumption that the only criterion for picking a sports car is performance or status. While I would consider a GTR as my next car, it first needs to be offered with a traditional manual (I hate automatics, be it a sequential or torque converter) and it needs to be more involving and enjoyable than the 997S to drive. I also worry about the myriad of electronics in a car like the GT-R from the transmission to the trick 4WD in terms of long-term reliability.

If the Nissan manages to trump Porsche similarly priced offerings by these standards, I would gladly put down my money on one.
 

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I can't wait for mine to get in...
 
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Originally Posted by nberry
More importantly, the performance of the GT-R is far beyond the 997TT. As the article indicated, it makes the 997TT look dated and old which it is.

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It doesnt acclerate or stop better and the only reason it gets better traction is because of the "SPECIALLY designed for GT-R" tires. I'd take my chances in the TT any day.

And FWIW people do not buy TT's because of performance per dollar (only) because there are already faster cars for less money. But Porsche isnt just a car, have fun getting your "supercar" serviced next to your daily by the same guy and this is not an elitist statement, but I dont want an average mechanic working on my 100k car (yeah the GT-R will be 100k for at least the first year).

On top of that there are only 1500 coming into the country, so Porsche doesnt need to change anything, the leader doesnt need to catch up, that's everyone elses job. For 99% of americans a highway pull, which the TT will win is much more important than a ring time. Nissan must have forgotten that part.
 
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Old 12-13-2007 | 02:43 PM
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the GT-R is amazing, so nice in person. i think id take the turbo anyday. porsche over nissan? common
 


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