2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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12-14-2007 | 03:18 PM
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Field that they don't belong? How so? The "badge" does not say it's fast....and i don't konw about you, but i don't buy cars based on the "badge". I guess if Porsche made the Civic you would JUMP on that!
I agree that it is a Nissan and you don't get the luxury of a Pcar. But performance vs. performance....it's there and maybe +. This is not a brand-name ***** car, it's a driver’s car. It's like the Z06....many MB/BMW/Pcar owners will say it's just a Chevy, but that's obvious. People that konw cars will konw what the GT-R's and the Z06's can do (i would never wana own a Z06 personally
, nor am i going to be in the market for the GT-R). Everyone will forever know it's a Nissan...that's not to take anything away from it.........unless you wana pull chicks with your car brand.
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12-14-2007 | 03:40 PM
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Field that they don't belong? How so? The "badge" does not say it's fast....and i don't konw about you, but i don't buy cars based on the "badge". I guess if Porsche made the Civic you would JUMP on that!
I agree that it is a Nissan and you don't get the luxury of a Pcar. But performance vs. performance....it's there and maybe +. This is not a brand-name ***** car, it's a driver’s car. It's like the Z06....many MB/BMW/Pcar owners will say it's just a Chevy, but that's obvious. People that konw cars will konw what the GT-R's and the Z06's can do (i would never wana own a Z06 personally, nor am i going to be in the market for the GT-R). Everyone will forever know it's a Nissan...that's not to take anything away from it.........unless you wana pull chicks with your car brand.
I agree that it is a Nissan and you don't get the luxury of a Pcar. But performance vs. performance....it's there and maybe +. This is not a brand-name ***** car, it's a driver’s car. It's like the Z06....many MB/BMW/Pcar owners will say it's just a Chevy, but that's obvious. People that konw cars will konw what the GT-R's and the Z06's can do (i would never wana own a Z06 personally
, nor am i going to be in the market for the GT-R). Everyone will forever know it's a Nissan...that's not to take anything away from it.........unless you wana pull chicks with your car brand. your Z is awesome man..i saw it on honda-tech ur slammed on time attacks right?? INSANE dude you ride LOW..
if you need a car to pull chicks then maybe you shouldn't be worried about making car payments..instead maybe you should be investing in a ***** enlargement haha..
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12-14-2007 | 05:48 PM
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So let me get this straight, its not a ***** care, its a driver's car, no compromises, and yet it doesn't come in a manual? 
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12-14-2007 | 06:44 PM
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your Z is awesome man..i saw it on honda-tech ur slammed on time attacks right?? INSANE dude you ride LOW..
if you need a car to pull chicks then maybe you shouldn't be worried about making car payments..instead maybe you should be investing in a ***** enlargement haha..
if you need a car to pull chicks then maybe you shouldn't be worried about making car payments..instead maybe you should be investing in a ***** enlargement haha..
Thanks man,Ya that was my car if you saw the on at the NWP4LIFE.com meet. There is one in Mission like mine and another in Texas who is REALLY slammed. And i would never use my car as a way to pull a girl....unless she is Jessica Biel, but then i don't think she would be impressed by what i have
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12-14-2007 | 06:45 PM
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lol...ya, i heard the V-Spec might...but you never konw. If i was gana buy a GT-R i would not mind the auto. It's pretty much like the SMG tranny. But i do get your point
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12-14-2007 | 09:19 PM
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Nissan has been fudging the numbers a bit....which explains a lot.
http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html
http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html
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12-14-2007 | 10:33 PM
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Maybe I'm living in the past but seeing this car just kills me because of how much I love the R34. I mean this car seems much less raw, definitely less attractive, and just a marketing ploy. Kind of how I see the new M3.
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12-14-2007 | 10:34 PM
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And seriously, you come on here and put down as many Porsche owners as you can and throw down the gauntlet with a 10.8 modded Civic?? I am sure you have beaten many (slower) cars, but are you seriously saying your car is unbeatable? If not, why are you putting up pink slips? There is ALWAYS someone faster and chances are they are on this board. This is NOT the place to be talking smack.
Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it...
Now, either act like an adult or take your ***** envy and go back to the civic boards.
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12-14-2007 | 10:37 PM
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Why the obsession with small *****'?
And seriously, you come on here and put down as many Porsche owners as you can and throw down the gauntlet with a 10.8 modded Civic?? I am sure you have beaten many (slower) cars, but are you seriously saying your car is unbeatable? If not, why are you putting up pink slips? There is ALWAYS someone faster and chances are they are on this board. This is NOT the place to be talking smack.
Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it...
Now, either act like an adult or take your ***** envy and go back to the civic boards.
And seriously, you come on here and put down as many Porsche owners as you can and throw down the gauntlet with a 10.8 modded Civic?? I am sure you have beaten many (slower) cars, but are you seriously saying your car is unbeatable? If not, why are you putting up pink slips? There is ALWAYS someone faster and chances are they are on this board. This is NOT the place to be talking smack.
Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it...
Now, either act like an adult or take your ***** envy and go back to the civic boards.
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12-15-2007 | 12:35 AM
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Just a quick question regarding the GT-R's curb weight: we all know the quoted numbers, but does it really matter how much it weighs if the overall balance between the chassic, the engine, the brakes and whatnots is such that the driver doesn't feel the added bulk (relative to cars like the C6 Z06 and 997TT)?
Numbers don't always tell the whole tale, do they? Because if they do, then we should all be questioning the 997 GT2's 7:33 Sport Auto 'Ring time especially in comparison to the CGT's 7:32 time (although I to think the MPSCs used in the 997 GT2 is worth 5 secs at the very least).
The amount of positive press the GT-R is currently getting is frankly overwhelming (probably why it's beginning to grate on some). But the coverage are not from some fly-by-night fan-operated newsletters. EVO, Top Gear, Car, etc. etc. These are some of the most respected mags out there. I for one refuse to believe that Nissan somehow managed to coax virtually all the reviewers into falsely thinking (and reporting) that the GT-R is better than it really is.
Just my two cents (pretty much worthless in dollar terms).
Numbers don't always tell the whole tale, do they? Because if they do, then we should all be questioning the 997 GT2's 7:33 Sport Auto 'Ring time especially in comparison to the CGT's 7:32 time (although I to think the MPSCs used in the 997 GT2 is worth 5 secs at the very least).
The amount of positive press the GT-R is currently getting is frankly overwhelming (probably why it's beginning to grate on some). But the coverage are not from some fly-by-night fan-operated newsletters. EVO, Top Gear, Car, etc. etc. These are some of the most respected mags out there. I for one refuse to believe that Nissan somehow managed to coax virtually all the reviewers into falsely thinking (and reporting) that the GT-R is better than it really is.
Just my two cents (pretty much worthless in dollar terms).
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12-15-2007 | 02:52 AM
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Until someone actually drives the car there wont be much to go on, but Im sure the performance of the GTR will be great. But for my .02 cents, after driving in an SMG M5 for one year, I cant wait to be back in a manual car again.
Any reviewer that says SMG or Auto or anything but manual is more involving or as fun is automatically ignored in my opinion. I'm not arguing that SMG isnt safer, or shifts faster, but simply that its so uninvolving that its less fun, as a result I end up driving my M5 faster to make up for it because otherwise I just dont have as much fun. Meanwhile in my old M3 every shift was a pleasure and let me enjoy the car at much safer speeds.
Then you have to question Nissan's release of this car, they are aiming to beat Porsche, but in their pursuit of "bragging" rights they forgot that its actually about something that can't be measured on paper with 0-60 times, but instead fun and enjoyment. And here the lack of a manual option just screams at me that someone in Nissan made a huge error.
Any reviewer that says SMG or Auto or anything but manual is more involving or as fun is automatically ignored in my opinion. I'm not arguing that SMG isnt safer, or shifts faster, but simply that its so uninvolving that its less fun, as a result I end up driving my M5 faster to make up for it because otherwise I just dont have as much fun. Meanwhile in my old M3 every shift was a pleasure and let me enjoy the car at much safer speeds.
Then you have to question Nissan's release of this car, they are aiming to beat Porsche, but in their pursuit of "bragging" rights they forgot that its actually about something that can't be measured on paper with 0-60 times, but instead fun and enjoyment. And here the lack of a manual option just screams at me that someone in Nissan made a huge error.
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12-15-2007 | 04:54 AM
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Nissan has been fudging the numbers a bit....which explains a lot.
http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html
http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html
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12-15-2007 | 09:41 AM
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I haven't came across any Dynapack numbers for the 997TT, but a stock 997TT did make 410awhp/428awhp (non-sport/overboost) on Evoms' Mustang dyno. Mustang dynos typically read lower than Dynapack/Dynojet dynos though. Dynapack numbers are said to be roughly similar to Dynojet numbers (not sure personally).
Nearly 480whp (or more precisely hub hp) for a stock GT-R is pretty impressive. Even if we take away 50whp to take into account the absence of rollers/tire slippage and the higher reading relative to a Mustang dyno, we're still left with 430whp. 530 or so crank hp if we put the drivetrain loss at 20%.
But IMHO, dynos are a vital tool for tuning but a poor tool for power comparisons, especially for runs made at different facilities and at different conditions.
Nearly 480whp (or more precisely hub hp) for a stock GT-R is pretty impressive. Even if we take away 50whp to take into account the absence of rollers/tire slippage and the higher reading relative to a Mustang dyno, we're still left with 430whp. 530 or so crank hp if we put the drivetrain loss at 20%.
But IMHO, dynos are a vital tool for tuning but a poor tool for power comparisons, especially for runs made at different facilities and at different conditions.
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I agree on everyhing except the GTR being a compromise car, that might be taking it a step to far.
But you are right on the money about everything else!
I don't think anyone would buy a car just based on performance numbers or technological aspects alone. It's about how the car makes you feel, to open those garage doors and instantly get a huge grin on your face because you just love the car that is standing before you. Then if that car is a GTR or a TT, that's for everyone to decide for themselves.
I agree on everyhing except the GTR being a compromise car, that might be taking it a step to far.
But you are right on the money about everything else!
I don't think anyone would buy a car just based on performance numbers or technological aspects alone. It's about how the car makes you feel, to open those garage doors and instantly get a huge grin on your face because you just love the car that is standing before you. Then if that car is a GTR or a TT, that's for everyone to decide for themselves.
This thread kinda ticks me off
2 diffrent cars guys...
70k
140k....
Hummmm which one do you choose.. not about price its really about what you want....
Fast and luxury?
Fast and not so comfertable
I drive my Porsche like a mercedes if I want to but when its time I can rip that mother ****er and im in the lemans lol
And I can get 2 freakin skylines for what I paid for my Turbo... but unless I had crazy money id have a turbo and a skyline but never choose a skyline over a turbo I dont care what HP it had