CAR Magazine: 911 vs GTR
#166
02-26-2008, 04:56 PM
Z07 dude..
after reading your posts i think you really dont know much about either.. I have owned a z06 and i currently own 3 GT-Rs and have had two Turbos and currently have a turbo... If you think a porsche is rip off then go buy a Honda hatch..drop in a 2.2l and call it a day.. save you about 80k compared to a GTR...and u get the feeling of driving a HONDA....
after reading your posts i think you really dont know much about either.. I have owned a z06 and i currently own 3 GT-Rs and have had two Turbos and currently have a turbo... If you think a porsche is rip off then go buy a Honda hatch..drop in a 2.2l and call it a day.. save you about 80k compared to a GTR...and u get the feeling of driving a HONDA....
This is a bafflingly stupid post.
#167
02-26-2008, 05:00 PM
Z07... YOU REALLY NEED TO DO MATH... sticker on a 70k dollar car is actually over 80k after taxes...but what the hell would you know.you have never purchased a car in cash...
What do you own a GTS-T R33... with some KONIG rims.. LOL.. My friend i am well more educated then ANYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE GTR NEW AND FORMER.. You are a newbie..that really has no knowledge nor has owned either one..
PLEASE DONT MAKE ME BUST YOU WITH SOME SERIOUS KNOWLEDGE.. BOW OUT AND LEAVE THE ROOM.. come back when you turn 18.
What do you own a GTS-T R33... with some KONIG rims.. LOL.. My friend i am well more educated then ANYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE GTR NEW AND FORMER.. You are a newbie..that really has no knowledge nor has owned either one..
PLEASE DONT MAKE ME BUST YOU WITH SOME SERIOUS KNOWLEDGE.. BOW OUT AND LEAVE THE ROOM.. come back when you turn 18.
#168
02-26-2008, 05:08 PM
Heavychevy,
How you can avoid the simple: race car=fast lap, as a working definition exemplifies your stupidity. You can try to hide, but everyone can see your insecurity. I dare not tax your mighty brain any further. Maybe in your small fishbowl world that's all a race car is, but the details are what make the BEST racecar. A fast lap gets you the pole in qualifying, doesnt win a race.
RACE CAR- built to win a RACE!
On a personal level, why on earth would you try and label me having small man syndrome is funny because that attribute is exactly what you display continuously. Cowards can't objectively defend themselves so they resort to tactics like yours. Excuses and beating around the bush is all we hear from you. The GTR was clocked on video around the ring, and tested by TRUSTED automotive publications. So who do we trust, an annonymous wanna be racer boy like you or multi-million dollar organizations who's very existence depends on objective purity? No, actually I'm anti small man syndrome which is why I put you in your place. Your logic is that Porsche owners are snobs etc. when no one has even displayed such. You think no one wants a TT because a guy in a GT-R can beat them in a drag race that 5% of them will ever do. You have no understanding of anything but trying to make yourself feel bigger than you are. I need none of this, I put my talk into action and not just keyboard arguing, but you on the other hand............
Trust the magazines if you want, over time you'll see they will start to contradict themselves. I trust the real world, not a magazine editor telling me how fast a car is related to another one. KTHANX.
Furthermore, since you can't hold a thought for more than 2 posts, as I said before I love the 997tt, and am currently contemplating purchasing one. I have nothing against Porsche cars, in fact I currently own 2. So you see you don't know diddley. For sure, I have nothing against Porsche. What I do have something against are snobs and elitists, because they are ignorant, and hold themselves in some high esteem which is baseless...like most of your statements. You said you love the 997 TT and then proceeded to throw snobbery attacks at everyone, typical little boy stuff, I'm inclined to see through your fast and the furious in disguise outfit. Snobs and punks are a fact of life, and you'll find some here, but stop being so insecure to start accusing people you dont know of being snobs, it's pointless and since the majority of the people here know someone else here, you are only making yourself look bad.
Lastly, I make a decent living, and trade weekly/daily in $100-200k lots. I'd love to meet you on the other side of the trade some day. The market needs more people like you.
How you can avoid the simple: race car=fast lap, as a working definition exemplifies your stupidity. You can try to hide, but everyone can see your insecurity. I dare not tax your mighty brain any further. Maybe in your small fishbowl world that's all a race car is, but the details are what make the BEST racecar. A fast lap gets you the pole in qualifying, doesnt win a race.
RACE CAR- built to win a RACE!
On a personal level, why on earth would you try and label me having small man syndrome is funny because that attribute is exactly what you display continuously. Cowards can't objectively defend themselves so they resort to tactics like yours. Excuses and beating around the bush is all we hear from you. The GTR was clocked on video around the ring, and tested by TRUSTED automotive publications. So who do we trust, an annonymous wanna be racer boy like you or multi-million dollar organizations who's very existence depends on objective purity? No, actually I'm anti small man syndrome which is why I put you in your place. Your logic is that Porsche owners are snobs etc. when no one has even displayed such. You think no one wants a TT because a guy in a GT-R can beat them in a drag race that 5% of them will ever do. You have no understanding of anything but trying to make yourself feel bigger than you are. I need none of this, I put my talk into action and not just keyboard arguing, but you on the other hand............
Trust the magazines if you want, over time you'll see they will start to contradict themselves. I trust the real world, not a magazine editor telling me how fast a car is related to another one. KTHANX.
Furthermore, since you can't hold a thought for more than 2 posts, as I said before I love the 997tt, and am currently contemplating purchasing one. I have nothing against Porsche cars, in fact I currently own 2. So you see you don't know diddley. For sure, I have nothing against Porsche. What I do have something against are snobs and elitists, because they are ignorant, and hold themselves in some high esteem which is baseless...like most of your statements. You said you love the 997 TT and then proceeded to throw snobbery attacks at everyone, typical little boy stuff, I'm inclined to see through your fast and the furious in disguise outfit. Snobs and punks are a fact of life, and you'll find some here, but stop being so insecure to start accusing people you dont know of being snobs, it's pointless and since the majority of the people here know someone else here, you are only making yourself look bad.
Lastly, I make a decent living, and trade weekly/daily in $100-200k lots. I'd love to meet you on the other side of the trade some day. The market needs more people like you.
#169
02-26-2008, 05:09 PM
Z07... YOU REALLY NEED TO DO MATH... sticker on a 70k dollar car is actually over 80k after taxes...but what the hell would you know.you have never purchased a car in cash...
What do you own a GTS-T R33... with some KONIG rims.. LOL.. My friend i am well more educated then ANYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE GTR NEW AND FORMER.. You are a newbie..that really has no knowledge nor has owned either one..
PLEASE DONT MAKE ME BUST YOU WITH SOME SERIOUS KNOWLEDGE.. BOW OUT AND LEAVE THE ROOM.. come back when you turn 18.
What do you own a GTS-T R33... with some KONIG rims.. LOL.. My friend i am well more educated then ANYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE GTR NEW AND FORMER.. You are a newbie..that really has no knowledge nor has owned either one..
PLEASE DONT MAKE ME BUST YOU WITH SOME SERIOUS KNOWLEDGE.. BOW OUT AND LEAVE THE ROOM.. come back when you turn 18.
Ouch, that hit him right in the kisser.
Not to mention MARKUP!
#170
02-26-2008, 05:11 PM
i didnt pay markup on mine.. NOTICE HOW HE SAYS:
I have driven a C5 and Z06..
I DRIVEN AN ENZO a good deal of other cars.. doesn't mean i know everything about them...
I BET ON THE UK FORUM SEAN MORRIS buts this idiot in his place..
I have driven a C5 and Z06..
I DRIVEN AN ENZO a good deal of other cars.. doesn't mean i know everything about them...
I BET ON THE UK FORUM SEAN MORRIS buts this idiot in his place..
#171
02-26-2008, 05:13 PM
Common man, I know very well the ATTRIBUTES of a race car. I race them. It's a total package. Weight is your enemy because you have to brake it, heard it through the corners, and accelerate it again, continuously. Yeah no ****. I think even non racers know that much. The point was and continues to be -- Some snobs here dismiss the GTR ENTIRELY as a NON-competitor to 997tt, and that is simply not the case for any rational adult with sound judgement. Obviously there are a few bad apples here.
This is my last post on this because it's clear bigotry thrives here. I suppose I've met worse. Such is life.
This is my last post on this because it's clear bigotry thrives here. I suppose I've met worse. Such is life.
brake it? heard it through corners?
this is too good. but you can still school us on what a race car is.
And no I'm not talking about street racing.
#172
02-26-2008, 05:14 PM
I think Z07 bowed out.. he was just in here.. no remark.. might have to get out that solar power calculator and do the math on the REAL PURCHASE PRICE on a car.. LOL
MARTIN WHAT UP HOMIE
MARTIN WHAT UP HOMIE
#173
02-26-2008, 05:23 PM
Martin did you get those NT-01's? Or at least some R6's? Bob sent me some R6's and they look BARELY USED? I'm going to put it on these bad boys at VIR.
#174
02-26-2008, 06:02 PM
My two road dogs haha, what up?!? You got a new GTR did I see???
BTW Dez, I didn't pm him yet, I wanna run the R6's but I heard for the weather whichw ill be colder and 3 days of driving it wont last long or give the greatest grip?! Right now i'm about to go for unshaved RA1's as they will heat up quick and last long, thoughts? Does your guy have any RA1's? I forgot!
BTW Dez, I didn't pm him yet, I wanna run the R6's but I heard for the weather whichw ill be colder and 3 days of driving it wont last long or give the greatest grip?! Right now i'm about to go for unshaved RA1's as they will heat up quick and last long, thoughts? Does your guy have any RA1's? I forgot!
#175
02-26-2008, 06:11 PM
My two road dogs haha, what up?!? You got a new GTR did I see???
BTW Dez, I didn't pm him yet, I wanna run the R6's but I heard for the weather whichw ill be colder and 3 days of driving it wont last long or give the greatest grip?! Right now i'm about to go for unshaved RA1's as they will heat up quick and last long, thoughts? Does your guy have any RA1's? I forgot!
BTW Dez, I didn't pm him yet, I wanna run the R6's but I heard for the weather whichw ill be colder and 3 days of driving it wont last long or give the greatest grip?! Right now i'm about to go for unshaved RA1's as they will heat up quick and last long, thoughts? Does your guy have any RA1's? I forgot!
NT-01's and RA1's are of nearly identical compounds. I think the RA1's have a harder/racier sidewall but that's it, so the rear end grip will be awesome like the NT-01's so you'll be in great shape. You made probably the best choice. Just make sure you are easy on the throttle out of turns, use the momentum and not the gas, 911's have exceptional grip under momentum go instead of trying to power your way out of every corner, try to carry more speed through the corner, the back end wont come out unless you have power to it, or have power to it and then lift while turning. remember that.
If he had RA1's he would have mentioned them and he didnt, and if he did they would certainly be shaved.
#177
02-26-2008, 09:45 PM
I don't think you are saying what you mean to say, because this statement is inaccurate. Rear weight biased cars don't carry traction on the front tires nearly the way a 50/50 car will. Carry more speed into a turn and you will find when turning the wheel the car just plows. You need to transfer the weight onto the front early to set your turn-in and then throttle to get the weight immediately back on the rear outside tire to get max traction.
#179
02-26-2008, 10:04 PM
I don't think you are saying what you mean to say, because this statement is inaccurate. Rear weight biased cars don't carry traction on the front tires nearly the way a 50/50 car will. Carry more speed into a turn and you will find when turning the wheel the car just plows. You need to transfer the weight onto the front early to set your turn-in and then throttle to get the weight immediately back on the rear outside tire to get max traction.
I probably should have explained it better though so here goes.
Most people at DE's suffer from chronic overbraking, all this does is get people slow in the corners and they end up having to use ALL power to get out.
I say carry speed "THROUGH" the corner, not "INTO", and there is a big difference. Carrying speed into a corner means that you are going farther before hitting the brakes and beginning the brake zone, this is what can cause you to plow. Carrying speed through a corner means that even if you start your braking zone earlier, end it earlier and let off the brake earlier than you usually would, in essence, dont slow the car down as much before you turn in, this allows you to carry momentum through the corner without plowing through it.
It's essentially bringing the best momentum out of your non momentum car. Of course with anything you have to find your limits and the cars as well, but in an ideal world you want to be just below that plow threshold.
This is a tool for beginners - moderate drivers and works well in 911's. Of course opinions vary and you'll find some guys that want to trail brake every corner, that doesnt work for me.
Where this is applicable to Martin is that he will now focus on carrying speed through the corner which then puts less emphasis on powering out of the corner which in his RUF GT2 can be scary. It's safer for him as opposed to overbraking, slow through corner, slam on the gas. Even if he plows all day, it's better than 360's.
#180
02-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Robert if you are coming to 2k8 I would recommend the R6 Hoosiers for TWS. TWS is a fast course and there are a few high speed sweepers that Hoosiers are much faster thru. Turn 2 (120+ mph turn) CCW at TWS I am 10 ft wider tracking out on Michelin Cups than on Hoosiers with the same steering input at max traction. That means either I reduce the throttle or I am in the fields. Turn 7 is also about a 100+ mph turn on the CCW course.