You'ld be very suprised how hard it is to drop 200lbs from something that's well designed to start with. Remember everything used will still have to meet safety spec's. for production.

 

Also has any info been released on the spec V if that's what they're going to call. I wonder if it's going to be a purpose built race car, available to a select few, with very limited support. Just thought I'ld add more speculation. It Has been done before.

 

Everything I mentioned is already available in other cars now, nothing new there....just expensive. Im confident wheels, brakes, no rear seats, lighter front seats would add up quick enough. Just look at GT3 seats vs. adaptive sports and regular brakes vs. carbon as examples on the Porsche side and go from there.

 

Looking at it from a manufactures point of view. What would be the point? Just make those options. There has to be more to the story and l still think a limited number, based on whatever the race series they're interested in requires, is what will be built. But like I said we're back to speculating and I think the cost will be on par with most cars it's competing with.

 

They (Nissan) have said it will be about 200 lbs lighter, with no more power and a stiffer suspension and some aero.

 

both are great cars.. sad to hear about the corruption though. Every car has it's appeal to certain audience.. Personally I'd take the amg black over all of those.. is it faster? No, but it fits my needs... No matter what the numbers are most wont by one or the other based on a magazine article. Most who can afford a 100k car are smart enough to check them all out for themselves. and most that can afford a 100k car really don't care what a highschooler thinks about his purchase....

 

They also said the GT-R is rated a 480 hp at the crank.

Quite frankly, I don't believe anything that Nissan has to say...We'll just see how they do at the track.

 

Cant just make them options, then you would not have the spec v and more margin in the car

Give the customer less 'stuff' but charge more....makes great business sense if you can pull it off.

 

Gee, arrogant much? If you are experienced as you say you are, then you, out of everyone, should know how hard it is to shave few tenths of seconds from the lap times. (If you say it is easy, then you obviously are not driving with people who are skilled drivers.)

You may be a great driver, but no great driver will ever say it is "easy" to beat someone's time until they drive on the same race track. There are so many unknown variables until you are driving down the track at 9/10 - 10/10 level.

 

So are you saying we should let this thread get back to Drama!

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetev...rsche_gt3.html

From the EVO magazine article:

0-100-0
Z06 14.0
GTR 13.9

Bedford West Circuit:
GTR 1:21.7
GT3 1:22.6

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Maclaren F1 1:21.2
Enzo 1.21.3
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I guess we're back to magazine racing.

 

Magazine racing = getting best times from different magazines to show one car is faster than the other. (different driver, different conditions)

I wouldn't call a test performed by the same driver at the same track by the same organization "magazine racing." It's called comparison.

 

heavychevy, you are frankly full of it. You say there is no way the 997T would be slower in the corners than a GT-R or M3. Hmmm, have you gone bloody insane? Or are you just daft?

The 911 is a rear-wheel drive based, rear-mounted engine car. The 991 Turbo has AWD even, so not only does it have the weight all behind it (causing massive understeer), but it also has to work out which wheels get the power.

The M3 however is RWD with a front mounted engine, which is far superior for corners (the weight simply gets around better). The GT-R has a superior AWD system in addition to better weight distribution. Its fully possible for the GT-R to beat the 997 Turbo.

I've driven a new M3, and a 997 GT3. I know the P-car way of driving well. Both times on newly paved streets, not tracks. The M3 can indeed pull faster times than the GT3, it depends on the track. If it has lots of sharp, hard corners that you need to de-accelerate for, then yes, the GT3 can beat the M3 (not to mention, keep its brakes together). But when, three hours after our "track" driving (aka: leaping in and out of short streets in a neighborhood still under construction)(and stopping by my place to put new pads on the M3), we took it out to some public roads that had longer corners and no quick turns. The M3 pulled out ahead easily.

So if the M3 can indeed perform better than the GT3, whats to say a car far beyond the capabilities of either, the GT-R, couldn't beat them? Or even the 997 GT3's big brother, the Turbo? Me and my friend with the cars obviously are not amazing drivers, we're just enthusiasts, but still.

As to the 997 Turbo, once again, AWD system with rear mounted engine and rear biased drive. Unless you are doing the quick in-and-out corners, the GT-R wins.

And all this talk of P-car driving, doesn't that say something about us here at 6speed? That we won't give a car a chance, because obviously, if it beats the P-car in comparison, the P-car wasn't driven properly? Many of these magazine editors and reviewers have far more track time and lots more time behind the wheel of a Porsche than all but best of us. And I've read many publications where the reviewers are former Formula One drivers or have been in racing, would they not have P-car driving skills if they said another car was better? As to fastlaps.com, whats to say they are not biased themselves, who don't know how to properly drive non- P cars?

And seriously, who are you heavychevy? If you are like me or anyone else here on this site, you either have too much money and buy cars with it or have friends with nice cars, hence you and I aren't pro's, but just people with seat time. We're no better than armchair quarterbacks who yell at their TVs during the game because they played ball in high school. When experienced editors, drivers, and pro's give a car a good review, I think thats when we need to give some credit.

The ultimate test, I think, will be if Top Gear lets James May try the GT-R versus the 997 Turbo. He's a big P-car fan, and if it could make him a believer...

 

School must be out!