I provided my evidence when I proposed my arguements. What else do you want, me to force Stillen to admit he was sandbagging? I think him being slower than a mag editor speaks for itself. I think the corner speed from Car magazine speak for themselves. I think the smoke trailing the GT3 from Evo speaks for itself.

For someone to have "supposedly" done so many driver schools , you cant seem to establish an opinion of your own based on the infrmation given. Why is that? Can you not look at the EVO video and tell the guy was turning in late and TRYING to slide the car?

If not, you need to be seeking some refunds. I've heard your type make claims about this school and that they went to, but you have NOTHING to back it up and cant differentiate anything from a magazine, doesnt add up.

Something like the guy from NAGTROC that said he races for Porsche America!!!!!



Too bad he said it too many times for it to be beleivable that he knew its actually called Porsche CLUB OF America.

So forgive me if I'm not to quick to jump out of my seat with awe for your credentials.

 

Do not try to surmount the sacred wisdom of the apple.

 

how about lets see some evidence yu can provide of just one 911 TT outperforming a GT-R.

dont worry ill wait...

 

I was going to buy a GTR and follow heavycheavy to every trackday and beat him until he admits the truth. But Steve Millen, Chris Harris and a few others have told me to wait in line.

 

Oh please, braggart.

If you get a GT-R, we'll settle this at Road America. Unless you drive as well as Millen, we'll see who wins.

 

Heavy, you're getting beyond desperate when you try and reduce the argument to the minutiae.

You're too emotive about the GTR...you were that way before all the tests came out and you still believe what you believed back then.(Rigidchevy).

Independent tests = verifiable and repeatable and objective

yes...some maybe more independent than others...but guess what, it doesn't matter, the end result is the same!

The earth is not flat!

 

My experience in nothing compared to those drivers on comparison test. I race for hobby, those people in the magazine does it for living. That's the difference. And you shouldn't be even close to being "awe" of my credentials because I know many people who is better driver then I am. Just go to one of those "arrive and drive" events.

You can believe what you want, but I've seen enough about GTR from various magazines to know that this car is faster. And I am not believing the result of just one magazine blindly as you say I am. It's every magazine published so far. Maybe it's time for you to jump ship, your boat is sinking...

 

 

Please do, I'd love to see that one.

But unfortunately like most fanboys, the ones doing all the talking wont be the ones driving, I've seen several of you talk trash until you get called on it and then the glaring fact surfaces that you cant even get a GT-R.



Feels great to argue about something you'll never get to prove huh. I'll get my chance in the near future and you wont like the results.

 

Arrive and drive event? Did you mean DE?

I hope you are from another country, because if you dont know what a DE is then your credentials have really failed you.


And then, right back to the magazines, what a surprise.

 

I think you're confusing me with you. How many forums now heavychevy, how many? You're like an internet bum that wanders from forum to forum until you are forced to leave.

No I won't like the results. The result will be that you come back on here, or crop-up on one of your other e-park-benches, and drop a huge whinge bomb, resulting in another 1000 pages of excuses.

I love Porsches. I love GTRs. I love all quick cars. But to date, you represent the strongest reason I can find never to buy a Porsche. The pure fear that Porsche ownership might degenerate me into a babbling whinge merchant is encouraging me to steer well clear. Please notify me of any other cars you own so that I may avoid them too.

If your marvellous track experience allows you to provide us with video footage or verifiable times that back up anything you say, then come back and enter it into sensible debate. Until then you have nothing to offer but garbled hearsay and superstition. I am already deaf to your voice. You are the Mr. Garrison of the internet. "The GTR isn't faster." "I'm not gay."

It's amazing how one can argue for so long in the complete absence of substantiating evidence.

 

My evidence is looking you in the face, just like the rest of you, but you seem to only be able to understand black and white when racing and especially the media has several gray areas.

The difference between me and the likes of you is that I'll be out testing and prooving my theories, you'll let the magazines tell you everything (at least what you want to know) while you ignore the small details.

 

Well, do believe that having say Hurley Haywood drive 997 and Millen drive the Nissan would be interesting. I would find it hard to believe that the car is faster but if it is, it is.

It still looks like a pumped up G37. Car is hideous looking. (IMHO) And if you just want fast buy an old supra save the added markup that this car will undoubtedly bring. How is it a bargain when they are getting some 15-20k above MSRP? That money is lost the minute you pay it.

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completely absurd. saying the GT-R looks even remotely like a G37 is pure hateration. or anything else nissan has made.

I love the 911 turbo, GT3 and GT2. but the design is boring b/c its virturally unchanged over the course of 40 years. most people cant tell the difference between a 911 carerra, 911 TT, GT3 or GT2. they dont know what makes each more special than the other. all they know is that its just "another Porsche" then they go back to what they were doing.

the GT-R is modern, muscular, harder, screams fast, looks tough, and most importantly. DIFFERENT which will stop what someone is doing, grab their attention and keep it.

and that goes for when its sitting next to a Carrera, 911 TT, GT3 or GT2. only thing that would share attention with the GT-R or take some atttention away from the GT-R is the Carrera GT.

 

LOL, little children, because someone doesnt like the look of the GT-R you go on a full out attack of Porsche models looks.

Insecurity much?