R&T: GT-R vs ZO6 vs 911
#391
03-25-2008, 04:14 PM
DHinkle brings up another good point w/ No. 4. While the GT-Rs brakes will undoubtedly last longer than the M3's (a car that is often thrown into this mix for fun), the TT and GT3's brakes will go an aeon longer than the GT-R. I don't know what brakes on the GT-R for sure but I think I read 4 piston someplace, where as the P cars are using 6 piston. Add lighter car versus heavier car into the mix, and yet another small victory for the P car.
I would like to re-affirm my support for the GT-R though. Regardless of the fact that in the end, the GT-R may never earn a lap off the TT, the GT-R has still done what it was expected to do: run in the TT's league. So maybe the magazines have posted rigged times (I don't think thats the case but lets say it was), the GT-R can't be that much slower based on what we have seen. For less than half the cost you can get performance that will at least stick on the edge of the 997 TT, and has much more utility.
Just imagine if someone were to take the greatest performance mod of all to this car: the free one. Get rid of the stereo, back seat, all the dead weight of the car, and bring it down just 100lbs. That changes things a lot I'd bet. Start adding a few dollars to remove more weight (lightweight bodykit to replace some of the current kit, maybe lightweight exhaust and headers, new cats), and shave another 100-200lbs. Now what do you have?
The TT is already pretty Spartan, not GT3 Spartan but its not so full of kit. There isn't much to hack off it. The GT-R can lose weight seemingly everywhere though.
I doubt it'd be long before we see someone shave 400lbs off this car. Then what happens? If it can indeed carry more speed in the corners, and now all that weight is off its shoulders, imagine the performance then. And you'd still of not paid the money for the TT by the time you are done.
Is the P car finished? No. Not by a long shot. But then again even General Motors manages to sell cars when someone beats them (even after a long time). The GT-R is a new era. Things only go up from here.
I would like to re-affirm my support for the GT-R though. Regardless of the fact that in the end, the GT-R may never earn a lap off the TT, the GT-R has still done what it was expected to do: run in the TT's league. So maybe the magazines have posted rigged times (I don't think thats the case but lets say it was), the GT-R can't be that much slower based on what we have seen. For less than half the cost you can get performance that will at least stick on the edge of the 997 TT, and has much more utility.
Just imagine if someone were to take the greatest performance mod of all to this car: the free one. Get rid of the stereo, back seat, all the dead weight of the car, and bring it down just 100lbs. That changes things a lot I'd bet. Start adding a few dollars to remove more weight (lightweight bodykit to replace some of the current kit, maybe lightweight exhaust and headers, new cats), and shave another 100-200lbs. Now what do you have?
The TT is already pretty Spartan, not GT3 Spartan but its not so full of kit. There isn't much to hack off it. The GT-R can lose weight seemingly everywhere though.
I doubt it'd be long before we see someone shave 400lbs off this car. Then what happens? If it can indeed carry more speed in the corners, and now all that weight is off its shoulders, imagine the performance then. And you'd still of not paid the money for the TT by the time you are done.
Is the P car finished? No. Not by a long shot. But then again even General Motors manages to sell cars when someone beats them (even after a long time). The GT-R is a new era. Things only go up from here.
#392
03-25-2008, 04:49 PM
GT-R at Stillen. Yet I doubt the recent article was biased in any any way. 
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03-25-2008, 08:40 PM
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I remember either a newspaper article or a Porsche ad for the late 80's early- 90's where a 928 owner was carjacked and shot at. The bullet didn't penetrate the Porsche OEM seat and probably saved his life.
#395
03-26-2008, 06:42 PM
haha hater man. the only way the GT-R could be an imitation 911 is if Nissan copied from the 911 and the gt-r would be rear engine if that was the case.
Nissan didnt need to copy porsche in anyway to out do it.
So the GT-R is far from an imitation. but if that makes you feel better at the end of the day. say what you need to. hey, as i said to heavy. if you want to believe the sky is blue go ahead. but everyone disagrees with you.
as quote. "the GT-R is the best 911 ever"
Nissan didnt need to copy porsche in anyway to out do it.
So the GT-R is far from an imitation. but if that makes you feel better at the end of the day. say what you need to. hey, as i said to heavy. if you want to believe the sky is blue go ahead. but everyone disagrees with you.
as quote. "the GT-R is the best 911 ever"
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