R&T: GT-R vs ZO6 vs 911
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#63
03-19-2008, 11:56 AM
You realize though, Nissan had a slight advantage over the 997 TT in that the GT-R was still in development when the 997 TT came out. We'll have to see how Porsche responds.
#64
03-19-2008, 12:04 PM
Lap Times:
911 Turbo - 2:02.1
Z06 - 2:02.2
GTR - 1:56.9
Over 5 seconds faster than ZO6 and Turbo... I knew GTR was going to be faster but I wasn't expecting 5 seconds difference.
The lap times by Steve Millen. But I am sure someone would still say the "driver didn't know how to drive..."
911 Turbo - 2:02.1
Z06 - 2:02.2
GTR - 1:56.9
Over 5 seconds faster than ZO6 and Turbo... I knew GTR was going to be faster but I wasn't expecting 5 seconds difference.
The lap times by Steve Millen. But I am sure someone would still say the "driver didn't know how to drive..."
Steve Millen has been under contract with Nissan, raced them to record winnings in IMSA, do you think he had a favorite??????
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
Last edited by heavychevy; 03-19-2008 at 12:10 PM.
#65
03-19-2008, 12:23 PM
+1 great points. These GTR "ringers" and media cars have got to be put to rest.
Nissan claims the GTR can do a 7:38 on the 'Ring. Sport Auto drives one around, and its 12 seconds slower!!! 7:50!?!?!
In this article, a known Nissan guy who has historically had trouble with Porsche's (see all his other remarks and lap times with the Turbo) takes a GTR and just kills it around the track!
This type of media sensationalism is ridiculous. I can't wait til we have another test with a real US Spec production car with REAL drivers with no biases.
Nissan claims the GTR can do a 7:38 on the 'Ring. Sport Auto drives one around, and its 12 seconds slower!!! 7:50!?!?!
In this article, a known Nissan guy who has historically had trouble with Porsche's (see all his other remarks and lap times with the Turbo) takes a GTR and just kills it around the track!
This type of media sensationalism is ridiculous. I can't wait til we have another test with a real US Spec production car with REAL drivers with no biases.
Steve Millen has been under contract with Nissan, raced them to record winnings in IMSA, do you think he had a favorite??????
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
#67
03-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Steve Millen has been under contract with Nissan, raced them to record winnings in IMSA, do you think he had a favorite??????
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/01/h...in-0-200-dash/
And don’t forget this one from 2005:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=1949
Strange, the Corvette gets 1st, the Porsche’s get 2nd and 3rd place, while the Nissan in that test only gets 8th place. By your theory, shouldn't the Nissan have won since clearly it is his "favorite"?
Looks like they even called on Millen back in 2002 when testing the F40, F1, and 959:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=392
And yes, Millen drove Nissans in IMSA, but in the ~40 years since he began his professional racing career, he has also driven for the following manufacturers:
Jaguar
BMW
Ford
Triumph
GM
Toyota
And last but not least
Porsche
http://www.stillen.com/page.asp?heritage1
BTW, here is an interesting part of his career from '79:
Professional driver for General Motors Dealer Team
Looks like the Z06 should have beaten the Porsche by 5 seconds in this test as well, since he was at one time employed directly by GM.
#68
03-19-2008, 12:56 PM
It's not proven US Spec production until either you or I can go into the dealership and drive one out.
#70
03-19-2008, 12:59 PM
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True, but with the results. There is nothing suprising. It isn't even making more than 480 HP like it did overseas. It got demolished by the Z06 in the 1/4th and lost to the Porsche in overboost mode. We'll just have to *confirm* the results once they start getting the hands to Americans in June/July.
#71
03-19-2008, 12:59 PM
actually there hasnt been anything said or any literature showing the US spec and Jap Spec cars are different in terms of performance stats and specs.
what is different is the fact that the US spec GT-R's will not have speedlimiters like the J-spec ones. and reportedly the suspension is supposed to be a little softer on US models b/c of our roads
and the JSpec GT-R's put out 520hp at the engine. what we dont know is if this is before or after break in
#73
03-19-2008, 01:01 PM
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Rep Power: 22 actually there hasnt been anything said or any literature showing the US spec and Jap Spec cars are different in terms of performance stats and specs.
what is different is the fact that the US spec GT-R's will not have speedlimiters like the J-spec ones. and reportedly the suspension is supposed to be a little softer on US models b/c of our roads
and the JSpec GT-R's put out 520hp at the engine. what we dont know is if this is before or after break in
what is different is the fact that the US spec GT-R's will not have speedlimiters like the J-spec ones. and reportedly the suspension is supposed to be a little softer on US models b/c of our roads
and the JSpec GT-R's put out 520hp at the engine. what we dont know is if this is before or after break in
Well, to this article, it certainly isn't putting out the same numbers as the J-Spec. This one trapped 116 MPH and the J-Spec ones have trapped 121 haven't they?
Edit: Good call on the fuel, im sure that could make the difference possibly.
#74
03-19-2008, 01:05 PM
Steve Millen has been under contract with Nissan, raced them to record winnings in IMSA, do you think he had a favorite??????
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
Couldnt be.
5 seconds is garbage, especially when the GT-R got raped in a straight line by both cars. But I guess the fanboys will ignore that part.
Who was it I was arguing about that the GT-R would start trapping 116-118 more than 121? Oh yeah, he got banned.
Not only that these cars arent even U.S. Legal, they are media mules to be demolished after testing.
So one asks himself, how does Nissan manage to get one of it's retired superstar factory drivers to drive for Road and Track to make their halo car look good. Like I said, all out media assault.
Objections?
Anyone, Bueller?
One also asks themselves how a professional race car driver from IMSA can run a second slower in a Z06 than mag editors from Car and Driver?
Anyone,............Bueller,..............Nissan?
and here he goes. the onslaught of EXCUSES from MR hevy himself.
everyone can i please introduce Mr. Heavy "EXCUSE MACHINE MAKING" Chevy
#75
03-19-2008, 01:08 PM
you are right, im not not quite sure. b/c the Jspec GT-R hits 121-122 in the 1/4 without Speedlimiter and showed to hit around 111mph with.
so i wonder what is going on. if this is without speedlimter and only hitting 116mph. either the US market is getting jipt with US spec GT-R's or he wasnt pushing it or something. Im not sure though.
could be fuel, not broken in totaly so hhe's not wanting it to push it too hard. but im not sure
Last edited by 240ka; 03-19-2008 at 01:10 PM.