I know that every mag has tested and claims the GT-R is quicker. However, I have yet to see one that used a tiptronic 997TT in the test. We all know that the tip is quicker than the 6-speed in any acceleration test. I wonder if the outcome would be different. I bet if the GT-R had a 6-speed manual, it will not be as quick as it is now.

Even on a track, the tip 997TT may be faster than the manual 997TT. I seem to remember that Hurley Haywood preferred a tip turbo on a track and can actually go quicker with such a car than a manual one.

What do you guys think?

 

Basically, you have to abuse (read: anticipate premature failure) the tip to better the times of the manual. PDK may be a different story if it ever arrives. As far as the comparison goes, the GT-R appears to be a great car for the money. Personally, I can't get past the looks. And, have you noticed most reviewers pick the 997TT as their choice if cost were not a factor? All said, the GT-R would make a great track *****.

 

I cant think of any time the Tip has been faster on the track than the Manual. Most of the tests to date have been tips. At least the UK and Japanese tests. The tip is better for 1/4 mile only but the shifts in it are too slow to make it preferrable over a manual on the track, at least in the hands of a decent driver. Which the TT gets little of these days.

 

Manual > Tip

The only benefit of the tip is the ability to brake-boost when launching (1/4 mile)

 

Which would make it quicker on a 0 to 60 run. Nad a quarter mle run. So far, the tests have seen the GT-R .1 sec faster than a 997TT manaul, so the tip 997TT should be as quick or quicker, righter?

 

It's still a datsun with horrible styling. I'd take a corvette over a gtr anytime at that price point, the 997TT shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence imo.

 

I agree. I think the exterior is ugly but the interior is even worse (such a mess). Road & Track said it best when it said " regarding the design of the interior, there is no design". A VW has a much nicer interior.

The point of this post was to discuss if the GT-R would still be quicker in a straight line against a tip 997TT. So far, Autocar, CAR, R&T and C&D used a manual 997TT, right? Any opinion on that, you guys?

 

Does anyone really care?
There will always be a faster car, a newer car, a car with more advanced technology on the forefront. What does it prove? If you think 1/10's of seconds indicate real world out performance then buy the faster car, I am sure your butt dyno will convince you that one is a 1/10 of a second faster. Did it make you a better driver? It all comes down to the following:
1. Heritage
2. Styling
3. Driver skill
4. Performance

Performance is last because a good driver can out drive a faster car!
Styling is more important because it is subjective and that is what matters to YOU when you buy a car.
Heritage is the number one important factor when buying a car in this class, and it speaks volumes about what you are buying into. Its a culture, and its about the club you are about to join.
Lastly, when I buy a car I tend to focus on how many I will see on the road in a given day. I hate seeing dozens and dozens of the same car. I believe we will see hundreds of GTR's to the 1 TT just because of the price point.

So what club do you want to be part of?

Its not about better, worse, 3.4 or 3.3 0-60 times. It goes much deeper then that and the GTR has no culture!

 

very well said JZRS4! couldn't agree more.

 

The GT-R can produce similar 0-60 times as the tiptronic. In fact they are pretty much dead heat in that regard. But in same day test the TT trapped 2.7 mph faster in the 1/4 mile. The TT is faster in a straight line, the only reasons it doesnt eat the GT-R alive is the shifting, the GT-R shifts mush quicker.

 

the other thing that people are overlooking, all the published times for the GTR have been on cut slicks, not a true street tire for most people.

 

They arent slicks, but they are a specially designed tire for the car. I honestly would like to see it on another tire. The runflats are actually genious for this car, because there really isnt anything with a stiffer sidewall, and all that weight on the GT-R would buckle sidewalls in a hurry. And the GT-R's sidewalls are even stiffer than the normal runflat. Chances are it would eat sport cups or overheat hoosiers in a heartbeat.

It WILL get knocked back down to earth, and soon.

 

productions versions you are correct, but test versions are using a cut slick

7.38* -- 161.63 km/h -- Nissan R35 GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki, slick cut tyres, track partially wet www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#40

 

I could care less. The 997tt is, in opinion, a much better car. If you can afford either; I'm sure that if you DO walk away from Porsche- my prediction is you'll be back. And fairly quickly- to the Porsche brand.

 

I tried to say the same thing in another GTR thread and as usual had to come under fire. Well put...