M3 beats GT-R and Porsche turbo in C&D comparison test
#46
05-29-2008, 07:04 AM
well said! if youre concerned about cup holders, and trunk space, and rear seats, Porsches, Ferraris, and Lambos are prob not the car for you. its funny when people who drive m3s say, 'well i can hold two adults in the rear' and then subsequently tell you 'i never let anyone sit in the back' 
Of course... that could be because I of how I drive too.
#47
05-29-2008, 08:26 AM
Let's not discount the M3 in any way. It is a great car in it's price range. I think the new E90 series doesn't feel as connected as the E46 and the E46 did not feel connected like the E36. I have had two E46's, one E36 and one E30 all M's. I should have kept the E30 although I liked the E36 for road feel and connection the most. The E46 M3 is my favorite M3 in design and the E30 a close second.
They will always use an M3 for comparison even when they shouldn't. They are trying to prove that sheer HP doesn't mean feel/connection and overall experience.
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
They will always use an M3 for comparison even when they shouldn't. They are trying to prove that sheer HP doesn't mean feel/connection and overall experience.
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
#48
05-29-2008, 01:38 PM
#49
05-29-2008, 02:24 PM
As loyal M3 owner and the owner of an '08 M3 (and the previous owner of a 997C4), I can admit that when I read this article, I was shocked. How could an M3 dethrone one of the finest supercars of all time?
I picked up a new E92 M3 back in April and had my mind set on selling it right away. I have since changed my mind and decided to keep it for now. I'm happy with that the decision. The more I drive the car, the more I realize just how great of a job BMW did (except for the body design, which is still sort of growing on me).
The M3 is a fantastic car. Am I biased being that I've owned 3 of them? Maybe. But the older ones don't come close to comparing to the E92. The new car is comfortable, incredibly smooth, and in my opinion, much more of a better all-around car than my 997 was. It is ROCK-SOLID at any speed. The engine sounds a thousand times better than the tinny 6 cylinder rasp of the older E46. The car handles far beyond what any normal person is capable of doing safely on public roads. I will admit that calling it "better" than either the GT-R and 911TT is a stretch and most certainly subjective, but at the very least, it shows that from an all-around standpoint, it certainly can hang in this league of impressive automotive performance. Yes, iDrive sucks. Yes, the car could look more agressive. But I think some of you 911TT owners would be quite shocked (and impressed) given the opportunity to drive one for some time, and I'm not talking about a 10 minute test drive with a saleperson in a car that hasn't been properly broken in.
I picked up a new E92 M3 back in April and had my mind set on selling it right away. I have since changed my mind and decided to keep it for now. I'm happy with that the decision. The more I drive the car, the more I realize just how great of a job BMW did (except for the body design, which is still sort of growing on me).
The M3 is a fantastic car. Am I biased being that I've owned 3 of them? Maybe. But the older ones don't come close to comparing to the E92. The new car is comfortable, incredibly smooth, and in my opinion, much more of a better all-around car than my 997 was. It is ROCK-SOLID at any speed. The engine sounds a thousand times better than the tinny 6 cylinder rasp of the older E46. The car handles far beyond what any normal person is capable of doing safely on public roads. I will admit that calling it "better" than either the GT-R and 911TT is a stretch and most certainly subjective, but at the very least, it shows that from an all-around standpoint, it certainly can hang in this league of impressive automotive performance. Yes, iDrive sucks. Yes, the car could look more agressive. But I think some of you 911TT owners would be quite shocked (and impressed) given the opportunity to drive one for some time, and I'm not talking about a 10 minute test drive with a saleperson in a car that hasn't been properly broken in.
#50
05-29-2008, 03:21 PM
As loyal M3 owner and the owner of an '08 M3 (and the previous owner of a 997C4), I can admit that when I read this article, I was shocked. How could an M3 dethrone one of the finest supercars of all time?
I picked up a new E92 M3 back in April and had my mind set on selling it right away. I have since changed my mind and decided to keep it for now. I'm happy with that the decision. The more I drive the car, the more I realize just how great of a job BMW did (except for the body design, which is still sort of growing on me).
The M3 is a fantastic car. Am I biased being that I've owned 3 of them? Maybe. But the older ones don't come close to comparing to the E92. The new car is comfortable, incredibly smooth, and in my opinion, much more of a better all-around car than my 997 was. It is ROCK-SOLID at any speed. The engine sounds a thousand times better than the tinny 6 cylinder rasp of the older E46. The car handles far beyond what any normal person is capable of doing safely on public roads. I will admit that calling it "better" than either the GT-R and 911TT is a stretch and most certainly subjective, but at the very least, it shows that from an all-around standpoint, it certainly can hang in this league of impressive automotive performance. Yes, iDrive sucks. Yes, the car could look more agressive. But I think some of you 911TT owners would be quite shocked (and impressed) given the opportunity to drive one for some time, and I'm not talking about a 10 minute test drive with a saleperson in a car that hasn't been properly broken in.
I picked up a new E92 M3 back in April and had my mind set on selling it right away. I have since changed my mind and decided to keep it for now. I'm happy with that the decision. The more I drive the car, the more I realize just how great of a job BMW did (except for the body design, which is still sort of growing on me).
The M3 is a fantastic car. Am I biased being that I've owned 3 of them? Maybe. But the older ones don't come close to comparing to the E92. The new car is comfortable, incredibly smooth, and in my opinion, much more of a better all-around car than my 997 was. It is ROCK-SOLID at any speed. The engine sounds a thousand times better than the tinny 6 cylinder rasp of the older E46. The car handles far beyond what any normal person is capable of doing safely on public roads. I will admit that calling it "better" than either the GT-R and 911TT is a stretch and most certainly subjective, but at the very least, it shows that from an all-around standpoint, it certainly can hang in this league of impressive automotive performance. Yes, iDrive sucks. Yes, the car could look more agressive. But I think some of you 911TT owners would be quite shocked (and impressed) given the opportunity to drive one for some time, and I'm not talking about a 10 minute test drive with a saleperson in a car that hasn't been properly broken in.
#51
05-29-2008, 06:26 PM
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
Amazed at the hubris demonstrated by so many on this board
#52
05-29-2008, 06:39 PM
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
Agreed. Not only that, but many people can "afford" to drive ferrari's but choose not to. It all depends on what's important to you. Just because someone is driving a less expensive car means nothing except that they prefer that automobile.
I drive an Infiniti G37S, does that mean I'm scum of the earth? If it does to you, I find that truly pathetic.
#53
05-29-2008, 07:55 PM
The test is laughable. Iam glad to see that the GT-R cant always run with the 911TT in the quarter!
Who cares about rear seat space and comfort... Not even the C&D readership... If its all about rear seat space and comfort they should have put a Lexus LS600h L in the test to whip all their *sses!!
Who cares about rear seat space and comfort... Not even the C&D readership... If its all about rear seat space and comfort they should have put a Lexus LS600h L in the test to whip all their *sses!!
#54
05-29-2008, 09:38 PM
i am curious as to what is your age, level of education and occupation?
#55
05-29-2008, 11:12 PM
Let's not discount the M3 in any way. It is a great car in it's price range. I think the new E90 series doesn't feel as connected as the E46 and the E46 did not feel connected like the E36. I have had two E46's, one E36 and one E30 all M's. I should have kept the E30 although I liked the E36 for road feel and connection the most. The E46 M3 is my favorite M3 in design and the E30 a close second.
They will always use an M3 for comparison even when they shouldn't. They are trying to prove that sheer HP doesn't mean feel/connection and overall experience.
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
They will always use an M3 for comparison even when they shouldn't. They are trying to prove that sheer HP doesn't mean feel/connection and overall experience.
997ttt - I am glad that you can afford the 997TT but don't look down at others who are not so fortunate at that moment. They could be your boss someday or the next president. Who knows. They are not wanna-be's - they are just people living within their means and that should be respected. Your car is not superior and you shouldn't take the attitude with those who don't drive one. I am sure a Bugatti or Ferrari Enzo owner might look at your car and say "poor soul" - he couldn't afford one of these - look at him driving that.
#56
05-30-2008, 01:36 AM
I was wondering the same thing. Kind of sounds like daddy bought the car, but who knows, maybe he's just a jerk?
#57
05-30-2008, 02:18 AM
A fanboy is anyone who disagrees with your view point. A term of disrespect and derision applied to those who like the GT-R, for example.
#58
05-30-2008, 05:11 AM
Alpine,
Absolutely. I agree. And I have many friends with Miatas and Saturns and Pontiacs. The drivers that get me all worked up are "characters" that rationalize why they did not buy a 911 and boast about how their car has better reviews on C&D and then tail me on the freeway or rev their engine at a stop light. And you must admit, many are M3 owners or Corvette owners. I have no respect for these "characters" and I am sure you feel the same way.
On the other hand I do respect Bugatti and Ferrari's 100% for their exclusivity. No doubt. They may look down on me, but really, how much can you look down on a 911 owner. And no matter how many car lengths I know I can have on a drag race against a Bugatti or a Ferrari, I WILL NOT tail them and egg on a race... It just looks pathetic... And this is the way I feel about aggressive M3 and Corvette owners that I frequently encounter on a nice peaceful Sunday drive.
Sorry if I offended anyone...
Absolutely. I agree. And I have many friends with Miatas and Saturns and Pontiacs. The drivers that get me all worked up are "characters" that rationalize why they did not buy a 911 and boast about how their car has better reviews on C&D and then tail me on the freeway or rev their engine at a stop light. And you must admit, many are M3 owners or Corvette owners. I have no respect for these "characters" and I am sure you feel the same way.
On the other hand I do respect Bugatti and Ferrari's 100% for their exclusivity. No doubt. They may look down on me, but really, how much can you look down on a 911 owner. And no matter how many car lengths I know I can have on a drag race against a Bugatti or a Ferrari, I WILL NOT tail them and egg on a race... It just looks pathetic... And this is the way I feel about aggressive M3 and Corvette owners that I frequently encounter on a nice peaceful Sunday drive.
Sorry if I offended anyone...
#59
05-30-2008, 06:56 AM
it would be nice if the flaming and derogatory posts that have followed the GTR here could be toned down just a smidge. I know I myself have been caught in this wave of sensationalism before but it really detracts from the community here. It's just a downer. We all should be grateful to drive what we have and be happy that others are auto enthusiasts as well, regardless of make. If we all drove the same thing it would be less interesting! Cheers everyone!
