Pics & Review of My Bilstein PSS10 Lowered Red Turbo
#332
06-15-2013, 06:37 PM
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These being BBS I think they might be Ok but I would still be very careful of bumps and potholes, and tracking. In fact, I remember vaguely when Fi just came out, the warning includes something "funny" like, don't use at the track! (Anyone please correct me if wrong.).
It would be perfect for me since I don't track, but the $$$ and style make it a no go :-).
Last edited by cannga; 06-15-2013 at 06:39 PM.
#333
06-15-2013, 06:56 PM
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Rep Power: 254 I don't know if you know but Eibach makes both GMG lowering springs and GMG sway bar. Let's assume that your Eibach brand lowering springs are similar to GMG lowering springs
, then that make GMG sway bar a first choice for you for sure. Like a set made for each other :-). Hope I am not getting in trouble with Fabryce for saying this non-sense :-).There are other good sway bars: H&R, Tarett, etc., and in truth no one knows if one is "better" than any other, only that no one hates H&R or GMG and they are both very popular.
I like the GMG bars because they are the only one who publish specs (not that it matters, but I do like to know, front 15-25-35 stiffer, rear 30-45-60 stiffer), made by people who race cars, work well with many other cars on this forum, etc., so that's what I recommend to anyone who asks me http://www.gmgracing.com/store/index...ay-bar-ki.html
And yes, I would use Tarett drop link, at least the rear because there is still too much vertical/lateral movement in the Turbo's rear with stock drop link: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...lnk-detail.htm
Essentially, you could add more later, but lowering springs or coilover + sway bar + drop link is a good start for a daily driver. They would transform the handling as many here have experienced.
Last edited by cannga; 06-15-2013 at 07:01 PM.
#334
06-15-2013, 07:24 PM
Well actually 2, $$$; but this might not be an issue for some lucky souls.
These being BBS I think they might be Ok but I would still be very careful of bumps and potholes, and tracking. In fact, I remember vaguely when Fi just came out, the warning includes something "funny" like, don't use at the track! (Anyone please correct me if wrong.).
It would be perfect for me since I don't track, but the $$$ and style make it a no go :-).
These being BBS I think they might be Ok but I would still be very careful of bumps and potholes, and tracking. In fact, I remember vaguely when Fi just came out, the warning includes something "funny" like, don't use at the track! (Anyone please correct me if wrong.).
It would be perfect for me since I don't track, but the $$$ and style make it a no go :-).
RI 003 - DBK 20 x 10 5-114.3 35 19.3 66 $2,585.00
RI 004 - DBK 20 x 11 5-114.3 15 20.3 66 $2,650.00
Wt. (lbs) CB MSRP
FI 021 - BG 19 x 9.5 5-120 28 18.3 72.5 $2,095.00
FI 021 - TI 19 x 9.5 5-120 28 18.3 72.5 $2,095.00
FI 021 - BS 19 x 9.5 5-120 28 18.3 72.5 $2,095.00
FI 022 - BG 19 x 10.5 5-120 23 19.7 72.5 $2,095.00
FI 022 - TI 19 x 10.5 5-120 23 19.7 72.5 $2,095.00
FI 022 - BS 19 x 10.5 5-120 23 19.7 72.5 $2,095.00
Per wheel plus TPMS, install, tax, and shipping! Well over 10K once you ad meats!!!
Once again....YIKES!!!!
#336
06-16-2013, 08:16 PM
Sanham, by GT3 sway, you mean just replace the rear bar with GT3/GT2 OEM sway bar and leave front alone (front GT3 and GT2 bars don't fit in Turbo)? People have done it and are happy with it but I personally prefer replacing both front and rear as a set. If you just replace rear and leave front stock, the setup might be too soft in front vs. rear and the risk is oversteer.
I don't know if you know but Eibach makes both GMG lowering springs and GMG sway bar. Let's assume that your Eibach brand lowering springs are similar to GMG lowering springs, then that make GMG sway bar a first choice for you for sure. Like a set made for each other :-). Hope I am not getting in trouble with Fabryce for saying this non-sense :-).
There are other good sway bars: H&R, Tarett, etc., and in truth no one knows if one is "better" than any other, only that no one hates H&R or GMG and they are both very popular.
I like the GMG bars because they are the only one who publish specs (not that it matters, but I do like to know, front 15-25-35 stiffer, rear 30-45-60 stiffer), made by people who race cars, work well with many other cars on this forum, etc., so that's what I recommend to anyone who asks me http://www.gmgracing.com/store/index...ay-bar-ki.html
And yes, I would use Tarett drop link, at least the rear because there is still too much vertical/lateral movement in the Turbo's rear with stock drop link: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...lnk-detail.htm
Essentially, you could add more later, but lowering springs or coilover + sway bar + drop link is a good start for a daily driver. They would transform the handling as many here have experienced.
I don't know if you know but Eibach makes both GMG lowering springs and GMG sway bar. Let's assume that your Eibach brand lowering springs are similar to GMG lowering springs
, then that make GMG sway bar a first choice for you for sure. Like a set made for each other :-). Hope I am not getting in trouble with Fabryce for saying this non-sense :-).There are other good sway bars: H&R, Tarett, etc., and in truth no one knows if one is "better" than any other, only that no one hates H&R or GMG and they are both very popular.
I like the GMG bars because they are the only one who publish specs (not that it matters, but I do like to know, front 15-25-35 stiffer, rear 30-45-60 stiffer), made by people who race cars, work well with many other cars on this forum, etc., so that's what I recommend to anyone who asks me http://www.gmgracing.com/store/index...ay-bar-ki.html
And yes, I would use Tarett drop link, at least the rear because there is still too much vertical/lateral movement in the Turbo's rear with stock drop link: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...lnk-detail.htm
Essentially, you could add more later, but lowering springs or coilover + sway bar + drop link is a good start for a daily driver. They would transform the handling as many here have experienced.
Thanks. CANNGA.... Ill do like You say......
Thanks. For the advise
#337
06-16-2013, 08:19 PM
May be a dumb question....
Sanham, by GT3 sway, you mean just replace the rear bar with GT3/GT2 OEM sway bar and leave front alone (front GT3 and GT2 bars don't fit in Turbo)? People have done it and are happy with it but I personally prefer replacing both front and rear as a set. If you just replace rear and leave front stock, the setup might be too soft in front vs. rear and the risk is oversteer.
I don't know if you know but Eibach makes both GMG lowering springs and GMG sway bar. Let's assume that your Eibach brand lowering springs are similar to GMG lowering springs, then that make GMG sway bar a first choice for you for sure. Like a set made for each other :-). Hope I am not getting in trouble with Fabryce for saying this non-sense :-).
There are other good sway bars: H&R, Tarett, etc., and in truth no one knows if one is "better" than any other, only that no one hates H&R or GMG and they are both very popular.
I like the GMG bars because they are the only one who publish specs (not that it matters, but I do like to know, front 15-25-35 stiffer, rear 30-45-60 stiffer), made by people who race cars, work well with many other cars on this forum, etc., so that's what I recommend to anyone who asks me http://www.gmgracing.com/store/index...ay-bar-ki.html
And yes, I would use Tarett drop link, at least the rear because there is still too much vertical/lateral movement in the Turbo's rear with stock drop link: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...lnk-detail.htm
Essentially, you could add more later, but lowering springs or coilover + sway bar + drop link is a good start for a daily driver. They would transform the handling as many here have experienced.
I don't know if you know but Eibach makes both GMG lowering springs and GMG sway bar. Let's assume that your Eibach brand lowering springs are similar to GMG lowering springs
, then that make GMG sway bar a first choice for you for sure. Like a set made for each other :-). Hope I am not getting in trouble with Fabryce for saying this non-sense :-).There are other good sway bars: H&R, Tarett, etc., and in truth no one knows if one is "better" than any other, only that no one hates H&R or GMG and they are both very popular.
I like the GMG bars because they are the only one who publish specs (not that it matters, but I do like to know, front 15-25-35 stiffer, rear 30-45-60 stiffer), made by people who race cars, work well with many other cars on this forum, etc., so that's what I recommend to anyone who asks me http://www.gmgracing.com/store/index...ay-bar-ki.html
And yes, I would use Tarett drop link, at least the rear because there is still too much vertical/lateral movement in the Turbo's rear with stock drop link: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...lnk-detail.htm
Essentially, you could add more later, but lowering springs or coilover + sway bar + drop link is a good start for a daily driver. They would transform the handling as many here have experienced.
If GMG is made by eibach... You recomend equally eibach sways?
than GMG
#338
06-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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^^^
sanham, I have no direct experience with Eibach sway bar and no one has reported on these so I do not know the answer.
I might be able to *guess* a better answer if you could tell me how the Eibach springs feel in your car. You are one of the very few people who have them, might even be the first. Could you give a report (here on this thread is fine) on these Eibach springs?
1. How does Eibach spring compare to stock? Stiffer or the same as stock with respect to ride? Better or same as stock with respect to handling?
2. Is it better in Normal mode? Less body lean?
3. Is it better in Sport mode? Is Sport mode still too stiff or jittery?
sanham, I have no direct experience with Eibach sway bar and no one has reported on these so I do not know the answer.
I might be able to *guess* a better answer if you could tell me how the Eibach springs feel in your car. You are one of the very few people who have them, might even be the first. Could you give a report (here on this thread is fine) on these Eibach springs?
1. How does Eibach spring compare to stock? Stiffer or the same as stock with respect to ride? Better or same as stock with respect to handling?
2. Is it better in Normal mode? Less body lean?
3. Is it better in Sport mode? Is Sport mode still too stiff or jittery?
Last edited by cannga; 06-17-2013 at 11:56 AM.
#339
06-18-2013, 08:42 AM
^^^
sanham, I have no direct experience with Eibach sway bar and no one has reported on these so I do not know the answer.
I might be able to *guess* a better answer if you could tell me how the Eibach springs feel in your car. You are one of the very few people who have them, might even be the first. Could you give a report (here on this thread is fine) on these Eibach springs?
1. How does Eibach spring compare to stock? Stiffer or the same as stock with respect to ride? Better or same as stock with respect to handling?
2. Is it better in Normal mode? Less body lean?
3. Is it better in Sport mode? Is Sport mode still too stiff or jittery?
sanham, I have no direct experience with Eibach sway bar and no one has reported on these so I do not know the answer.
I might be able to *guess* a better answer if you could tell me how the Eibach springs feel in your car. You are one of the very few people who have them, might even be the first. Could you give a report (here on this thread is fine) on these Eibach springs?
1. How does Eibach spring compare to stock? Stiffer or the same as stock with respect to ride? Better or same as stock with respect to handling?
2. Is it better in Normal mode? Less body lean?
3. Is it better in Sport mode? Is Sport mode still too stiff or jittery?
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> At this time I have only the eibach springs and Original alignment settings, I feel the car definitely stiffer than stock, but very comfortable, I still feel too soft sometimes in normal mode, in sport I feel like it needs “something” (that´s why I’m asking about the sways), Ill try to change the alignments today because on Friday I’m going to the Hermanos Rodriguez race track and want to feel it with different settings, I´ll tell you my comments.
About the lowering distance, I didn´t have the chance to take measurements for a before and after comparison, but definitely is manageable, and the performance worth it….. also the looks.
hope that helps a little
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#340
06-18-2013, 11:13 AM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palos Verdes
Posts: 3,116
Rep Power: 254 At this time I have only the eibach springs and Original alignment settings, I feel the car definitely stiffer than stock, but very comfortable, I still feel too soft sometimes in normal mode, in sport I feel like it needs “something” (that´s why I’m asking about the sways), Ill try to change the alignments today because on Friday I’m going to the Hermanos Rodriguez race track and want to feel it with different settings, I´ll tell you my comments.
From now on, if there is any problem with the suspension setting, we at least would know it's unlikely to be from the sway bars.
I would start with soft front, medium rear setting on the GMG bar. if this still doesn't stabilize the car's leaning in curves, then move to medium front medium rear, then finally, medium front, stiff rear. Watch out; depending on the rest of your suspension setup of course, but the stiff setting on the GMG bar could be quite uncomfortable. It is very very stiff.
Last edited by cannga; 06-18-2013 at 01:04 PM.
#342
06-19-2013, 12:17 PM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palos Verdes
Posts: 3,116
Rep Power: 254
5 year anniversary report!
Wow just one blink of an eye.
On this day in 2008 I took delivery of my baby with Bilstein Damptronic freshly installed, by Tom of Lucent Motors in West LA (cheers Tom), and thus began this long running love affair
with my Turbo, and the start of this rambling :-) thread.
Everything is working fine and I have not had any problem. It is far and way the best 3k I've ever spent for my (too many) hobbies. Of all the mods I have in my car, the Bilstein suspension change remains my most favorite and the one I recommend most, without reservation.
I do enjoy driving the car, very very much. The way it feels, the way it takes curves, the feedback, "everything," LOL.
Wow just one blink of an eye.
On this day in 2008 I took delivery of my baby with Bilstein Damptronic freshly installed, by Tom of Lucent Motors in West LA (cheers Tom), and thus began this long running love affair
with my Turbo, and the start of this rambling :-) thread.Everything is working fine and I have not had any problem. It is far and way the best 3k I've ever spent for my (too many) hobbies. Of all the mods I have in my car, the Bilstein suspension change remains my most favorite and the one I recommend most, without reservation.
I do enjoy driving the car, very very much. The way it feels, the way it takes curves, the feedback, "everything," LOL.
Last edited by cannga; 06-19-2013 at 12:28 PM.
#344
06-20-2013, 10:37 AM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palos Verdes
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^^^VID, thanks.
Ok I'll bite, not that I am an expert, but because Ohlins is so pretty looking. You could have helped me by opening up the lens for better depth of field differentiation though (kidding, I could see fine).
Besides the pretty Ohlins, I really don't see much. Ohlins not leaking, rear toe control arm looks fine. A wild guess: Is the upper control arm (dog bone) rubbing against the spring? It looks awfully close.
BTW, grey color links are RSS?
Ok I'll bite, not that I am an expert, but because Ohlins is so pretty looking. You could have helped me by opening up the lens for better depth of field differentiation though (kidding, I could see fine).
Besides the pretty Ohlins, I really don't see much. Ohlins not leaking, rear toe control arm looks fine. A wild guess: Is the upper control arm (dog bone) rubbing against the spring? It looks awfully close.
BTW, grey color links are RSS?
Last edited by cannga; 06-20-2013 at 10:47 AM.
#345
06-20-2013, 12:11 PM
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