997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#1531
Funny thing is that the reason why Nissan has drawn the ire of porsche and porsche owners is because of it's advertising campaign. the truth is that if porsche would have let their car in the hands of customers do the talking and see where the chips fall, these long threads would not exist.
If there had been, we probably wouldn't have idiots all over the internet claiming that you need to change transmission fluid every 1k miles, or that you can only pump the tyres up at a dealer.
#1532
yup and it shows with all of the 911 wins at Lemans.. explain to me what the fat sow GTR has won? oh yah, nothing in the real world. Races in japan and australia, lol, basically nothing. great record, I guess that is why they have to act like they can match the king....
Besides, what does the road going 911 and the Lemans 911 have in common? If you say that then i guess the GTR which won the championship in the Japanese SuperGT series does count for something. Even though that car and the road GTR has nothing in common.
#1533
The warranty issues are to be resolved - the one thing I do know is that you aren't going to find out the facts on the internet.
#1534
you are missing the form of advertising they used. They are much smarter than you. They used skewed performance data to market their car attempting to take away customers from the car that they used as a pattern all these years in designing the GTR. Very slick, enough so, that you missed it. Testing is a great form of advertisement.
#1535
New member from e90post Swamp2 did a simulation and regression analysis that it is possible with 550hp or more. Hence, a ringer and probably with a "tweaked" suspension as well.
#1536
Funny thing is that the reason why Nissan has drawn the ire of porsche and porsche owners is because of it's advertising campaign. the truth is that if porsche would have let their car in the hands of customers do the talking and see where the chips fall, these long threads would not exist.
Ever wonder why you don't see these threads about ZO6 or ZR1 or ACS versus porsche? because they let their cars do the talking. Even the new suppra is not a hot debate. Nissan wanted to get attention by using skewed testing and bought off people to do what would have taken the car more than a year to do.
Nissan is quite shameful IMO. To the point that I sold my 2004 nissan and will not ever own another. I'd rather own a yugo. Their lies do not surprise me in fact I expect them to lie they have practice at it.
Ever wonder why you don't see these threads about ZO6 or ZR1 or ACS versus porsche? because they let their cars do the talking. Even the new suppra is not a hot debate. Nissan wanted to get attention by using skewed testing and bought off people to do what would have taken the car more than a year to do.
Nissan is quite shameful IMO. To the point that I sold my 2004 nissan and will not ever own another. I'd rather own a yugo. Their lies do not surprise me in fact I expect them to lie they have practice at it.
It is Porsche who are playing dirty with their tactics by accusing Nissan of cheating without hard evidence.
#1537
you are missing the form of advertising they used. They are much smarter than you. They used skewed performance data to market their car attempting to take away customers from the car that they used as a pattern all these years in designing the GTR. Very slick, enough so, that you missed it. Testing is a great form of advertisement.
Testing which has shown the car to be extremely impressive?
This is a car we're talking about. A car, made by a car manufacturer.
It's unlikely the Illuminati are involved.
#1538
Having first year problems on a car is normal:
-Not warrantying them
-Making people replace the whole and not parts
-Making people replace the clutch too
-Misleading people to think they could use certain features
Is not. Dont even think the two are comparable. Porsche has an impecable reputation for service and warranty. I know guys that have gotten their motor replaced because a code that's loosely related to the motor had the check engine light on and they couldnt figure it out in two trips to the dealer over a period of time.
Nissan's rep has been severly tarnished by the GT-R.
#1539
Too early to tell, but it's clear it should have been handled better than it appears to have been in the US.
As for Porsche fixing everything that breaks - I don't think so. Ten minutes on any Porsche forum will show you that. 3.4l 996 engines anyone?
As for Porsche fixing everything that breaks - I don't think so. Ten minutes on any Porsche forum will show you that. 3.4l 996 engines anyone?
#1540
Maybe its got to do with the fact that the car is still pretty new and has just being released? In all fairness, it has done pretty well in the races it has competed in, including winning a road rally ahead of a great driver and his 911 GT2 - who has dominated that rally for the part 10 years or so.
Besides, what does the road going 911 and the Lemans 911 have in common? If you say that then i guess the GTR which won the championship in the Japanese SuperGT series does count for something. Even though that car and the road GTR has nothing in common.
Besides, what does the road going 911 and the Lemans 911 have in common? If you say that then i guess the GTR which won the championship in the Japanese SuperGT series does count for something. Even though that car and the road GTR has nothing in common.
Way to go Porsche enthusiast.
You're right, the Japan GT car has V8 and is RWD and tube frame chassis.
The Chassis on the Cup Car used in Rolex Series and Speed GT as well as the RSR used in FIA and ALMS have the exact same chassis as street car GT3's and RS's. The racing motor up until they switched to the 4.0 Direct injection motor mid season this year shared the same racing block all the way back to the 964 (I think but still way back). In ALMS the difference doesnt go much farther, but in speed GT you can find lots of the same parts. In fact the 996 cup shared 80% parts with a 996 GT3. That % went down with the introduction of the sequential in the 997 and the fact that Porsche doesn take 997 GT3 and convert them to cup cars like they did with the 996. But you'll find more in common with the street cars from Porsche than anyone else.
All of a sudden the rear engine design doesnt seem so inferior does it when the race cars that are beating down everyone else on the track are built from the same stuff we drive on the streets.
When street chassis' are required, the Porsches win. You can put an end to that fake Porsche enthusiast claim, no one is buying that.
#1541
porsches have issues like any other car. Hell the wing failure in the turbo is a pain in the *** that every turbo owner will eventually go through. You just spring for the GT2 decklid if it happens after warranty.
#1542
Way to go Porsche enthusiast.
You're right, the Japan GT car has V8 and is RWD and tube frame chassis.
The Chassis on the Cup Car used in Rolex Series and Speed GT as well as the RSR used in FIA and ALMS have the exact same chassis as street car GT3's and RS's. The racing motor up until they switched to the 4.0 Direct injection motor mid season this year shared the same racing block all the way back to the 964 (I think but still way back). In ALMS the difference doesnt go much farther, but in speed GT you can find lots of the same parts. In fact the 996 cup shared 80% parts with a 996 GT3. That % went down with the introduction of the sequential in the 997 and the fact that Porsche doesn take 997 GT3 and convert them to cup cars like they did with the 996. But you'll find more in common with the street cars from Porsche than anyone else.
All of a sudden the rear engine design doesnt seem so inferior does it when the race cars that are beating down everyone else on the track are built from the same stuff we drive on the streets.
When street chassis' are required, the Porsches win. You can put an end to that fake Porsche enthusiast claim, no one is buying that.
You're right, the Japan GT car has V8 and is RWD and tube frame chassis.
The Chassis on the Cup Car used in Rolex Series and Speed GT as well as the RSR used in FIA and ALMS have the exact same chassis as street car GT3's and RS's. The racing motor up until they switched to the 4.0 Direct injection motor mid season this year shared the same racing block all the way back to the 964 (I think but still way back). In ALMS the difference doesnt go much farther, but in speed GT you can find lots of the same parts. In fact the 996 cup shared 80% parts with a 996 GT3. That % went down with the introduction of the sequential in the 997 and the fact that Porsche doesn take 997 GT3 and convert them to cup cars like they did with the 996. But you'll find more in common with the street cars from Porsche than anyone else.
All of a sudden the rear engine design doesnt seem so inferior does it when the race cars that are beating down everyone else on the track are built from the same stuff we drive on the streets.
When street chassis' are required, the Porsches win. You can put an end to that fake Porsche enthusiast claim, no one is buying that.
EDIT: Correction, the 911 is in GT2 category, so it's not a fair comparison, my bad. The F430 Ferrari and Porsche 997 is neck to neck with a slight advantage to Ferrari in the GT2 category.
Last edited by jaeS4; 11-13-2008 at 12:52 PM.
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#1545
there are vettes, vipers, and ford gt's running in gt2 along with the na 911's. They obviously have some form of restriction that reduces their equivalent CI down, not sure what that is.