In the GT3 class the 997's are definitely more competitive but they're still being dominated by Ford GT's, C6 Vettes, and occasionally DBR9's.

 

porsche won the mfg's championship again this year in the gt2/gt3 class.
Porsche also won those titles at American lemans, so they are not being dominated as you say. In fact I have been watching the races and, hey tend to dominate as evidenced by the record

 

I didn't necessarily meant that the Porsche is being dominated, I meant that the Vettes, Ford GT's and Aston Martins has more 1st place showing where as the 997's has none.

 

flying lizard team pretty much dominates and wins all the time ,so not sure what you are talking about, here is an example

2008 season
Race result
1. Werner/Luhr (D/D), Audi R10 (LMP1), 145 laps
2. Pirro/Albers (I/NL), Audi R10 (LMP1), 145
3. Montagny/Kanaan (F/BRA), Acura ARX-01B (LMP2), 145
4. de Ferran/Pagenaud (BRA/F), Acura ARX-01B (LMP2), 145
5. Bernhard/Dumas (D/F), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
6. Briscoe/Castroneves (AUS/BRA), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
7. Dyson/Smith (USA/GB), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
8. Leitzinger/Franchitti (USA/GB), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 144
9. Fernandez/Diaz (MEX/MEX), Acura ARX-01B (LMP2), 144
10. Maassen/Long (D/USA), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 144

Result LMP2 class
1. Montagny/Kanaan (F/BRA), Acura ARX-01B (LMP2), 145
2. de Ferran/Pagenaud (BRA/F), Acura ARX-01B (LMP2), 145
3. Bernhard/Dumas (D/F), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
4. Briscoe/Castroneves (AUS/BRA), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
5. Dyson/Smith (USA/GB), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 145
6. Leitzinger/Franchitti (USA/GB), Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 144

Further class winners
LMP1: Werner/Luhr (D/D), Audi R10
GT1: Beretta/Gavin (MC/GB), Chevrolet CorvetteC6-R
GT2: Müller/Farnbacher (D/D), Ferrari F430 GT

Final score American Le Mans Series 2008
Drivers LMP2 class
1. Timo Bernhard, Romain Dumas, Porsche, 203
2. David Brabham, Scott Sharp, Acura, 162
3. Patrick Long, Porsche, 129
4. Sascha Maassen, Porsche, 121
5. Butch Leitzinger, Marino Franchitti, Porsche, 113
6. Chris Dyson, Guy Smith, Porsche, 101

Manufacturers LMP2 class – Engine
1. Porsche, 214
2. Acura, 213

Manufacturers LMP2 class – Chassis
1. Porsche, 214
2. Acura, 213

Teams LMP2 class
1. Penske Racing, Porsche, 210
2. Highcroft Racing, Acura, 162
3. Dyson Racing, Porsche, 129

Drivers GT2 class
1. Jörg Bergmeister, Wolf Henzler, Porsche, 187
2. Dominik Farnbacher, Dirk Müller, Ferrari, 175
3. Johannes van Overbeek, Patrick Pilet, Porsche, 137

Manufacturers GT2 class
1. Porsche, 220
2. Ferrari, 215

Teams GT2 class
1. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche, 216
2. Tafel Racing, Ferrari, 185

 

2007 season....LEMans

Porsche claims class victory in Le Mans
The success streak of the new Porsche GT3 RSR continues. One week after securing overall victory at the Nürburgring 24 hour race, the Weissach-developed and built GT sportscar won the GT2 class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. With a six-lap advantage over the second-placed Ferrari, the French customer team IMSA Performance pocketed its first success in Le Mans with the two works drivers Richard Lietz (Austria) and Patrick Long (USA) together with Raymond Narac (France). For the near-standard GT race car based on the Porsche GT3, this marked the eighth success out of nine long distance events at the Sarthe.

“My first race in Le Mans and now I'm climbing to the top of the podium – that's just crazy,” smiled Lietz as he celebrated the greatest success of his career. “We reduced our speed in the last seven hours to conserve our car and were able to control the pace at the top of the GT2 class,” analysed his team mate Long.

Third position after a race marked with changeable weather conditions went to the Porsche customer team Autorlando with drivers Lars Erik Nielsen (Denmark), Allan Simonsen (Denmark) and Pierre Ehret (Germany). After 24 hours the 470 hp Porsche GT3 RSR crossed the finish line ten laps behind the winning Porsche.

 

You should stop wikpedia'ing yourself to death.


GT1 isnt street chassis cars either. GM doesnt build the C6R. Pratt and Miller build them, as they will the GT2 class car GM will campaign next year. However GT1 rules dont require starting with the street chassis and minimal mods if any to the actual chassis. Not only that GT1 run 600 hp while GT2 is 480 or so hp. And the GT2 cars are still only 2-3 seconds slower at most tracks.


Slight advantage to the Ferrari??? You're full of it.

Ferrari won ONCE out of all the years they've been in ALMS. BMW won once with a motor they didnt have in an M3 then bailed to prevent being regulated like everything else.

 

I'm talking about FIA GT3 racing standings.

 

Nope, not wiki at all. Try fiagt.com. I never claimed GT1 to have street chassis nor would i know. That's why i said it wasn't a fair comparison, and according to the site the C6's have only 510hp and the GT2 997's have 440hp. I wasn't talking about ALMS. BTW, did you see the several post about mid engine cars and design, care to respond?

 

Respond to what?

 

There is a reason that the 911 is rear-engined and it has more to do with tradition than any thing else. And it started with the 356. The Gmund 356, the first 356, had a midengine, but Ferdinand and Ferry wanted the car to be more practical and went with rear-engine for the production version so the owner could have four seats to carry the youngin's. This "practicality" carried over to the 911 in 1965, and Porsche won't dare change it because the folks who buy them won't hear of it. As HC said, every motor placement has it's advantages and disadvantages. Porsche has exploited the advantages of rear engine placement and turned the car into a real winner at the race track. The engine is not in the rear because Porsche engineers are stupid or hard-headed, it is there now because of a long tradition. And the folks who buy 911's dictate that it stay there. I would say that Porsche has done pretty well with a setup that was a compromise to begin with. As long as it keeps winning races and keeps the buyers happy I don't think it really matters that the engine is in the rear.

 

Post #1516, which is a respond to your ridiculous comment that rear engine race cars dominates the racing world.

 

Way to dramaticize what I say to cover the ignorant comments you've made. I'm not interested in your search---> copy -----> paste wars. You guys have made these extremely ignorant statements while have full access to watching Porsche beat up on Ferrari in ALMS for several years.

Trying to compare the base 911 chassis to GT1 and non-homologized cars, even from Porsche continues to show additional ignorance, and you keep compounding the effect by adding more copying and pasting without looking at all the details.

 

And we were worried this thread wouldn't make it to page 100.

 

This is not about Ferrari vs Porsche, it's about you saying that rear engine cars have dominated races when everyone knows that mid engined race cars have always been superior. You were'nt specific about what type of race cars when you made that comment.
Typical response from you, Mr. I know everything and i'm never wrong.
That's fine with me, so be it.

 

Let me post this one for you again HC, just as a reminder.