997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#1561
11-13-2008, 05:24 PM
let me repost this again
2007 season....LEMans
Porsche claims class victory in Le Mans
The success streak of the new Porsche GT3 RSR continues. One week after securing overall victory at the Nürburgring 24 hour race, the Weissach-developed and built GT sportscar won the GT2 class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. With a six-lap advantage over the second-placed Ferrari, the French customer team IMSA Performance pocketed its first success in Le Mans with the two works drivers Richard Lietz (Austria) and Patrick Long (USA) together with Raymond Narac (France). For the near-standard GT race car based on the Porsche GT3, this marked the eighth success out of nine long distance events at the Sarthe.
“My first race in Le Mans and now I'm climbing to the top of the podium – that's just crazy,” smiled Lietz as he celebrated the greatest success of his career. “We reduced our speed in the last seven hours to conserve our car and were able to control the pace at the top of the GT2 class,” analysed his team mate Long.
Third position after a race marked with changeable weather conditions went to the Porsche customer team Autorlando with drivers Lars Erik Nielsen (Denmark), Allan Simonsen (Denmark) and Pierre Ehret (Germany). After 24 hours the 470 hp Porsche GT3 RSR crossed the finish line ten laps behind the winning Porsche.
Porsche claims class victory in Le Mans
The success streak of the new Porsche GT3 RSR continues. One week after securing overall victory at the Nürburgring 24 hour race, the Weissach-developed and built GT sportscar won the GT2 class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. With a six-lap advantage over the second-placed Ferrari, the French customer team IMSA Performance pocketed its first success in Le Mans with the two works drivers Richard Lietz (Austria) and Patrick Long (USA) together with Raymond Narac (France). For the near-standard GT race car based on the Porsche GT3, this marked the eighth success out of nine long distance events at the Sarthe.
“My first race in Le Mans and now I'm climbing to the top of the podium – that's just crazy,” smiled Lietz as he celebrated the greatest success of his career. “We reduced our speed in the last seven hours to conserve our car and were able to control the pace at the top of the GT2 class,” analysed his team mate Long.
Third position after a race marked with changeable weather conditions went to the Porsche customer team Autorlando with drivers Lars Erik Nielsen (Denmark), Allan Simonsen (Denmark) and Pierre Ehret (Germany). After 24 hours the 470 hp Porsche GT3 RSR crossed the finish line ten laps behind the winning Porsche.
#1562
11-13-2008, 05:29 PM
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Hey wikpedia boy, the 908, 917, 936, 956 and 962 were all prototypes built for racing, not for driving on the street. Hence the reason GT1 cars ARE NOT COMPARABLE TO GT2 cars, because they arent based on street car chassis, which have far more compromises built into the chassis when it comes to racing them. Why not compare the 911 to a Daytona Prototype while you're at it.
So if you'd like to keep on topic, which is street (not race) chassis cars, then you're still on the short end of the stick. When it comes to taking a street car chassis and using it for racing, the RE platform has proved more than adequate to beat the mid engine. You superiority arguements have already been shot down when we have a head to head going on every year in ALMS.
While you're copying and pasting, go look up homologation. Once you know what that means, then go look at the history of the 964, 993, 996 and 997.
So if you'd like to keep on topic, which is street (not race) chassis cars, then you're still on the short end of the stick. When it comes to taking a street car chassis and using it for racing, the RE platform has proved more than adequate to beat the mid engine. You superiority arguements have already been shot down when we have a head to head going on every year in ALMS.
While you're copying and pasting, go look up homologation. Once you know what that means, then go look at the history of the 964, 993, 996 and 997.
#1564
11-13-2008, 05:36 PM
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Point is that you've run out of wikpedia searches since all you can come up with is comparing non street race cars with much less regulation to street based race cars with much heavier rules. Under those conditions the rear engine has had better success than the mid engine. Hell so has the front engine for that matter.
Fact is that even with a more practical design for the street, which mid engine is not for the difficulty of service, the Porsches havent show any signs of being the weak link in racing since according to you the rear engine seems to be the only one with flaws.
Hell you might as well throw the LMP cars in for good measure, since we are comparing open wheel cars like that's the same.
Fact is that even with a more practical design for the street, which mid engine is not for the difficulty of service, the Porsches havent show any signs of being the weak link in racing since according to you the rear engine seems to be the only one with flaws.
Hell you might as well throw the LMP cars in for good measure, since we are comparing open wheel cars like that's the same.
#1565
11-13-2008, 05:39 PM
Hey wikpedia boy, the 908, 917, 936, 956 and 962 were all prototypes built for racing, not for driving on the street. Hence the reason GT1 cars ARE NOT COMPARABLE TO GT2 cars, because they arent based on street car chassis, which have far more compromises built into the chassis when it comes to racing them. Why not compare the 911 to a Daytona Prototype while you're at it.
So if you'd like to keep on topic, which is street (not race) chassis cars, then you're still on the short end of the stick. When it comes to taking a street car chassis and using it for racing, the RE platform has proved more than adequate to beat the mid engine. You superiority arguements have already been shot down when we have a head to head going on every year in ALMS.
While you're copying and pasting, go look up homologation. Once you know what that means, then go look at the history of the 964, 993, 996 and 997.
So if you'd like to keep on topic, which is street (not race) chassis cars, then you're still on the short end of the stick. When it comes to taking a street car chassis and using it for racing, the RE platform has proved more than adequate to beat the mid engine. You superiority arguements have already been shot down when we have a head to head going on every year in ALMS.
While you're copying and pasting, go look up homologation. Once you know what that means, then go look at the history of the 964, 993, 996 and 997.
#1566
11-13-2008, 05:40 PM
Point is that you've run out of wikpedia searches since all you can come up with is comparing non street race cars with much less regulation to street based race cars with much heavier rules. Under those conditions the rear engine has had better success than the mid engine. Hell so has the front engine for that matter.
Fact is that even with a more practical design for the street, which mid engine is not for the difficulty of service, the Porsches havent show any signs of being the weak link in racing since according to you the rear engine seems to be the only one with flaws.
Hell you might as well throw the LMP cars in for good measure, since we are comparing open wheel cars like that's the same.
Fact is that even with a more practical design for the street, which mid engine is not for the difficulty of service, the Porsches havent show any signs of being the weak link in racing since according to you the rear engine seems to be the only one with flaws.
Hell you might as well throw the LMP cars in for good measure, since we are comparing open wheel cars like that's the same.
That question wasn't for you, it was for Prche951.
#1567
11-13-2008, 06:03 PM
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Rep Power: 551 It doesn't matter what type of car whether it'll be street or race chassis cars, mid engine will always be more balanced and superior. That quote from Edmunds is general comment for all sportscars race or street. You keep bringing up ALMS as if it's the bible, i could care less about it. How about this, if rear engine is sooo much more superior, then why is it every supercar out there including the Carrera GT is mid engine, let me answer that for you, because it is simply a superior design. Period.
The CGT was originally intended to be a race car program, but got scrapped for the cayenne, they decided to make the CGT as an afterthought. And as the car went from prototype for racing to street car we got the end result which is not much faster than a GT2 but with quite a bit more hp. Put a turbocharged GT2 in the same racing category as the CGT and I can assure you the GT2 would hold it's own. No different than the F430 GT and the RSR. And in the end you can keep jocking the mid engine, but the RE platform is more than able to keep pace. AND WIN.
"All" supercars being mid engine depends on your definition of supercar. Many of what you are calling supercars will get circles run around them by just high performance cars with front/rear engine designs, so obviously it's not all THAT superior.
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#1568
11-13-2008, 06:09 PM
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Just stopping into say hey.
Also, Dez, we'll be down there for my birthday next month. We can finally have our race if we can lie to get me in on the big track.
Bye
Also, Dez, we'll be down there for my birthday next month. We can finally have our race if we can lie to get me in on the big track.
Bye
#1569
11-13-2008, 06:10 PM
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Also, JaeS4...
You're not smart.
You're not smart.
#1571
11-13-2008, 06:29 PM
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Don't you mean month, Jenk?
December 13 is my birthday. We'll probably be in town that weekend. You're invited if you're not out town, Michael. DHinkle, MiniD, Tyler, Jenk, and Dez...doesn't sound like the cleanest race in the world.
December 13 is my birthday. We'll probably be in town that weekend. You're invited if you're not out town, Michael. DHinkle, MiniD, Tyler, Jenk, and Dez...doesn't sound like the cleanest race in the world.
#1572
11-13-2008, 06:40 PM
Not just ALMS, but LeMans too, which is considered the mecca of racing. Even before ALMS came about, the 993, 964 and 996 were winning at Leman and elswhere. I mention ALMS because other than GT1 the current winners of Lemans always come from ALMS, not from European FIA teams.
The CGT was originally intended to be a race car program, but got scrapped for the cayenne, they decided to make the CGT as an afterthought. And as the car went from prototype for racing to street car we got the end result which is not much faster than a GT2 but with quite a bit more hp. Put a turbocharged GT2 in the same racing category as the CGT and I can assure you the GT2 would hold it's own. No different than the F430 GT and the RSR. And in the end you can keep jocking the mid engine, but the RE platform is more than able to keep pace. AND WIN.
"All" supercars being mid engine depends on your definition of supercar. Many of what you are calling supercars will get circles run around them by just high performance cars with front/rear engine designs, so obviously it's not all THAT superior.
The CGT was originally intended to be a race car program, but got scrapped for the cayenne, they decided to make the CGT as an afterthought. And as the car went from prototype for racing to street car we got the end result which is not much faster than a GT2 but with quite a bit more hp. Put a turbocharged GT2 in the same racing category as the CGT and I can assure you the GT2 would hold it's own. No different than the F430 GT and the RSR. And in the end you can keep jocking the mid engine, but the RE platform is more than able to keep pace. AND WIN.
"All" supercars being mid engine depends on your definition of supercar. Many of what you are calling supercars will get circles run around them by just high performance cars with front/rear engine designs, so obviously it's not all THAT superior.
7:24,65 - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport:
7:25,21 - Ferrari Enzo
7:28,71 - Porsche Carrera GT
7:33,55 - Koenigsegg CCX
These are some of the supercars that i have in mind and these are their respective numbers in The Ring. Now what other high performance cars that would run circles around them, besides the ZR1 and of course The GTR
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#1573
11-13-2008, 07:25 PM
Let me be more specific, what other high performance cars that is either front or rear engine that would run circles around those cars that i've listed. Besides the ZR1 and The GTR.
#1574
11-13-2008, 07:39 PM
Apart from the ZR1........well the Viper ACR is the other Supercar capable of beating the above list.
The GTR should really be outclassed in this field as shown by other results. Nissan did have a ringer just as Porsche said.
The GTR should really be outclassed in this field as shown by other results. Nissan did have a ringer just as Porsche said.
#1575
11-13-2008, 07:46 PM
That was a joke bro, of course it's not in the same class and that 7:29 is probably not repeatable or realistic even though it did happened.